The Lausanne Global Conversation is on the World Wide Open Network
Author: Third Person Entertainment
Date: 19.10.2010
Category: World Faiths, Evangelism Training
Description: Turning Points, Part 2 - This video picks up the history with Boniface taking the gospel to Germany and extends to Edinburgh 1910 and the Cape Town Congress. (See Part 1)
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Keywords: Cape Town 2010, church history, global church, video
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United States
The link is not correct. the download link to part to leads to part one so there is no way top download the complete Chruch history. Anyone know how to get someone to correct this.
28.11.2010
United States
@ dsprowl:
Yes, someone pease help. I’ve shown Part I to my wife’s Sunday School class, and they are anxiously awaiting part II. It only downloads Part I.
Thanks.
04.12.2010
United Kingdom
@ Joseph_Paul_Cadariu:
Someone has just let us know about this via the ’contact us’ at the bottom of the page, so the download link should be fixed soon. Sorry for the error!
11.01.2011
South Africa
@ dsprowl:
Thank you for letting us know. The download links have been corrected above. We apologize for the mistake!
12.01.2011
Russia
"One of Sisters" disappeared from The Church Family Picture.
Both parts of video "Turning Points" which we’ve seen at the opening of Lausanne Congress presented Church’s history in a wonderful way. Unfortunately there is one major exception.
It is sad that after year 1054 this video presentation becomes one sided. Stating about a "divorce" between Eastern Orthodox and Western Catholic church in 1054 the video then simply forgets about the existence of Eastern Orthodox Christians. It explicitly states: "in 1453 Constantinople fell to Turks. The center of Christian Gravity was now solidly in the Western Europe." (part 2, min 6:28).
I have three daughters. When I want to introduce my family to a friend I look for the picture with all three of my girls. Christianity consists of three major branches - Eastern Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant. However in the Western Church “pictures", the Eastern Orthodox “sister” is either absent or hidden somewhere in the back. I believe that at Lausanne it was not due to politics. It rather shows ignorance of majority of Western Evangelical Church historians about Eastern Orthodox Church life and mission.
What do we see in the video about Christian East in second millennia?
- in 988 Christianity came to Russia through Vladimir and his mother Olga (part 2, min 3:07).
- Constantinople fell to Turks in 1453.
Was it the end of Eastern Christianity? What do you know about it? What Evangelicals in the West can say about Eastern Orthodox Church today? Usually you’ll hear something like that: "Eastern Orthodox? Is it some kind of Catholic Church?"
Volumes of history books and videos form certain mentality. Such ignorance created serious problem in the development of Evangelical churches in Slavic countries after the fall of Soviet regime. What have we heard about development of Christianity in Eurasia at Cape Town? Is church in Eurasia so small that you can tell about it in less then 10 minutes on Saturday evening, Oct 23rd? (http://conversation.lausanne.org/en/conversations/detail/11604) Why 15-20 years ago Christians were talking about preaching Gospel in Russia for days?
Is Global Evangelical Church ready to hear about what is actually going on in Russia, Ukraine, Byelorussia now? Are we ready to analyze why such enormous people and money investments of 90’s in preaching the Gospel do not have triumphant results presently? Lutherans, Adventists, Evangelicals, including Pentecostals and Charismatics presently estimate all together around 1-1,5% of Russia’s population. In Ukraine the situation is little better. Russian Orthodox Church simply ignores Evangelical presence as if we are not in the picture.
I would like to suggest that until we return to Global Church "picture" existence of Eastern Orthodox Church with all its successes and falls we would not be able to understand low effectiveness of Western Evangelical mission to former Soviet Block Countries. How evangelicals came to preach the Gospel to Russia? How we, Slavic Evangelicals, have being preaching the Gospel in 90s? Missionaries and local ministers came as pioneers of faith. We preached the Gospel as in an unevangelized area. And what about the thousand year history of Eastern Orthodox Church in Russia? O-oh it is not in our picture of Christianity. That’s the point!
Russian, Byelorussian, Ukrainian, Serbian, Bulgarian and some other eastern cultures were formed by Eastern Orthodox Christianity. How do we, Evangelicals, preach the Gospel in these countries? We do it in predominantly in a western way. How the church services looks like - like in the West. It was good and attractive when people in 90s were very hungry for Western culture. Presently we have a reaction, both political and cultural.
Thanks to organizers of Third Lausanne Congress. Several Orthodox delegates have been invited as guests to Cape Town. The Global Church is not Western. Presently many evangelicals in Slavic countries have discovered that you can find very faithful brothers and sisters in Eastern Orthodox Church. They see many things differently, they worship God differently, but when you pray with them, when you know their life you see that Christ is with them.
The theme of that day when Eurasian Church was presented at Lausanne was Integrity. It is quite symbolic. If we talk about integrity we need to be more holistic in understanding of The Church History and present reality of Global Church. Eastern Orthodox inheritance is a part of Church treasures. I am not calling Evangelicals to preach Gospel as it is done (or not done) by Eastern Orthodox. But for Slavic Evangelicals it is a challenge to discover our cultural Christian inheritance, to reflect on it theologically and to find out how it can be of help in God’s Mission in our cultures.
Alexey Gorbachev, PhD, MDiv
Moscow, Russia
11.11.2010
United States
These are excellent.
Will they be available in a permalink, or to download? I recommend that they be. If they are, I will be able to return to them for a long time and refer others to them. Or download them and use them anywhere.
Thank you!
20.10.2010
Philippines
@ JeremyB:
You may want to download RealPlayer Basic at http://ph.real.com/ which will then allow you to easily download videos on the internet as long as you have the setting for the downloader to be made available when you install the software.
20.10.2010
United States
I enjoyed the history very much and appreciate the integration of the experience of the Church in both east and west. I have to point out, however, that there is no evidence that Pope Innocent III ever made it a capital offense to read the Scriptures in a language other than Latin as stated in part 2 of the film. The actual history is much more complex.
In 1199, The bishop of Metz, asking for papal guidance concerning the practice of the reading of venacular translations of portions of the Bible by lay people, received a letter from Innocent. The pope did not explicitly condemn translations or comment on the reading of Scripture by the laity but, instead, warned against any uncritical hostility toward vernacular texts and suggested that the desire to know Scripture was not, in itself, wrong, but should be cautiously encouraged, as long as lay men and women did not assume the right to preach through an invisible commission from God not approved by the church.
In 1201, Innocent clearly defined the manner of preaching in the church: doctrinal preaching (articuli fidei) was the privilege of the bishops and clergy of the church, whereas exhortation in the faith (verbum exhortationis) was allowed to the laity. Far from condemning the use of the Bible by laity faithful to the church, Innocent cautiously promoted its use by lay preachers who would work for the church in winning back those persons who had entered the Albigensians movement. While Innocent wasn’t a great champion of use of Scripture by the laity, neither did he seek to crush it as the video would suggest.
In 1229, (13 years after Innocent died) the Council of Toulouse ruled against reading or possessing a vernacular version of the Scriptures, in the context of the struggle with the Cathars. The Council was strictly local and it’s ruling applied only to the region of southern France. There is evidence of some French translations being permitted during that period while others were being scrutinized. In any case, the first complete translation of the Bible into Old French was completed in the late 13th century so any prohibition was clearly not regarded as definitive in France, much less the rest of the Christian Europe.
In a world where we can participate in an international conference via the internet, it is easy to forget Jean LeClercq observation about the medieval world:
“Scenes from the Bible were represented everywhere: on doors, in frescoes, in sculptured capitals and tympana, in stained-glass windows and furnishings. Culture and the life of the Church were drawn into unity in and through the Bible. The Bible was the basic book of medieval culture, and medieval culture was essentially a biblical culture.”
What we, who live in a culture of universal literacy, must remember is that the average 13th century Christian’s experience of Scripture was real but primarily oral and visual, rather than through the written text. Most interesting and timely in light of the fact that Orality is one of the major discussions at Cape Town 2010.
Sherry Weddell
19.10.2010
United States
Excellent. Thanks!!!
19.10.2010
United States
So beautifully done! Makes for an enjoyable way to review church history.
19.10.2010
South Africa
This was such a wonderful overview of Christian History! I would certainly use this as a resource to help Christians understand some of the theological, cultural and social shifts that have taken place in the Christian faith over the centuries.
I posted both videos on my blog for comments and feedback!
http://www.dionforster.com/blog/2010/10/19/an-overview-of-christian-history-and-the-church-video-from-t.html
God bless,
Dion
19.10.2010
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