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Cooperación en el cuerpo de Cristo: Hacia un nuevo equilibrio

作者: David D. Ruiz M. M. A.
日期: 30.07.2010
Category: 合作关系

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Nota del editor: El presente Texto Previo para Ciudad del Cabo 2010 fue escrito por David D. Ruiz, como una reseña del tema a debatirse en la sesión plenaria sobre “Asociaciones en el cuerpo de Cristo: Hacia un nuevo equilibrio global”. Los comentarios a este texto realizados a través de la Conversación Global de Lausana serán remitidos al autor y a otras personas para ayudar a dar forma a su presentación final en el Congreso.

 “Equilibrio” es una palabra difícil de pronunciar en estos tiempos. Las desigualdades han marcado con profundas diferencias todos los niveles de la sociedad. Nos ha cambiado, organizándonos en pueblos ricos y pobres, desarrollados y subdesarrollados; en comunidades modernas y atrasadas, en primer mundo y tercer mundo. Hasta la efectividad del evangelio nos ha dividido. Mientras hay iglesias que desperdician recursos en faraónicas construcciones (sea en el Norte o el Sur), hay otras incapaces siquiera de pagar un salario digno a su pastor o de sostener dignamente a sus misioneros.

Tenemos que preguntarnos si el vocablo equilibrio representa lo que tenemos en mente respecto de la cooperación global en la misión de Dios. Pero el término nos ha sido dado, y lo tengo que trabajar.

¿Es posible corregir el equilibrio global?

Cuando examinamos el texto bíblico nos damos cuenta que la desigualdad es un tema recurrente, una fatídica herencia de la caída del hombre que, lamentablemente, nos seguirá hasta el fin de los tiempos. Jesucristo anticipó que a los pobres siempre los tendréis con vosotros (Jn. 12:8). Cuando Él venga en Su gloria hará preguntas concernientes a esto a todas las naciones (Mt. 25:34-40). En la parábola del trigo y la cizaña nos muestra que tenemos que convivir (aun en la iglesia) con los hijos del maligno, y eso multiplicará nuestras desigualdades (Mt. 13). No será sino hasta el momento en que veamos descender la ciudad de Dios, la nueva Jerusalén, la ciudad equilibrada, igualitaria, que esa situación cambiará. Tal como la vemos en Apocalipsis 21, sus dimensiones son iguales (21:16), como así también las oportunidades de entrar; con tres puertas hacia cada uno de los puntos cardinales (21:13). No hay en ella luz y sombra, solo luz (21:23); todos tienen la misma relación con Dios. Él es su Dios y todos son Sus hijos en igualdad de condiciones y de situación (21:7).

Un motivo de dolor y oportunidad: El desequilibrio en el mundo debería ser para la iglesia un constante motivo de dolor, pero también una constante oportunidad. Los pobres brindan a la iglesia una oportunidad para abundar en buenas obras y ser bendecida por ello (2 Co. 9:8-10). El subdesarrollo y sus problemas nos ayudan a ejercitarnos en la compasión y hacer acopio del poder que Dios nos da para sanar toda enfermedad, y en Su mandato de establecer Su reino con compasión y amor (Mateo 10:7-8; 25:45). Sobre todo, es una gran oportunidad para proclamar el evangelio.

关键词: Equilibrio, recursos, cooperación global, igualdad, oportunidad, pobres, iglesias, iglesia global, esperanza, iberoamericano, movimientos misioneros nacionales, reflexión misionológica, división, humildad, nuevos tiempos

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Community farms: (Kibbutz)

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2.   Education, “Skills” development, Discipleship training & orphanages.

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18.10.2010
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美国

Brother, thank you for this great paper. I really look forward to hearing from both you and Patrick Fung together on this issue. Should be terrific. I have so many thoughts on this.  Let me just post here:

http://codylorance.blogspot.com/2010/10/equilibrium-revisited.html

Blessings!


15.10.2010
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挪威

I have enjoyed your paper, also because it is practical. And I was glad to find you lifting up the Good News as the stimulus for and power of cooperation and unity. Many Cape Town papers seem to like the law more than the Gospel.

We are better off with regard to equilibrium than they were in Edinburgh in 1910, but there are still key issues to work on. One such issue is our Western way of taking over planning and implementation of projects etc when our Gloibal South brothers and sisters do not jumb when we think they should jumb. Here is an undue impatience and a lingering belief that we know a little bit better how to deal with such matters. Is this an issue we could talk about and where I as a typical impatient Westerner could be taught by Christian leaders in the South?

Along the same lines: Your three examples of humilation on p.5 hit me quite hard, especially the third one about being ignored when I think I have an opinion about matters that others should pay attention to.


15.10.2010
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I have recently become aware of COMIBAM and I find it very encouraging. I have spent some time in Peru and have a heart for Latino believers to be mobilized to the least-reached, esp. Muslims. So excited that COMIBAM is doing this, through the partnership efforts you describe!


14.10.2010
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美国

Your "cost of unity" section was very challenging.  Thank you for these bold words.  May God grant us all the grace to pay the price to be unified together in Christ.


11.10.2010
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新加坡

Hi David,

Thanks for your thoughts. I particularly liked the ’corrective’ in your dream - that perhaps this congress works first on our being ’friends’ and establishing relationships amongst us, before attempting to solve the conceptual problems confronting our generation of church and missions.

I note with interest that neither you nor Patrick seem willing to address the topic of ’New Equilibrium’.  Perhaps it is loaded with a perception of ’us and them’ - North vs South, or West vs East. As our study of Ephesians should show, these barriers should break down. In effect you are both pointing out that perhaps we should not even speak of the division?  If we are to be ’friends’ first, and if, as Patrick implies, we should focus on the task, then perhaps such a ’New Equilibrium’ is not needed explicitly.

Your early point is relevant, that balance is inherently impossible this side of heaven. But I think we are also unlikely to see ’equilibrium’ because the world remains in a state of constant change. As the strength of the church, of economics, and of freedom grows and declines in different areas there will be constant change in how each of us contributes or has need (2 Cor 8:14)

So perhaps God is looking for our friendships first. So indeed - let us first be friends!


09.10.2010
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法国

I liked the dream that concludes this paper, heading to hope and action. The reference to the situation in Corinth is interesting, and there is much to say about the struggles of the local Church and Paul’s global ministry. The local church is actually central, and each believer enroled in the fight for unity...

I would have liked to see more down-to-earth connections between the teaching drawn out of the corinthians example, the COMIBAM experience, and the fights common to all churches. What were the very difficulties that appeared in COMIBAM, how were they dealt with, how was Paul’s teaching applied etc?

I am sure the author would have relevant elements to add that could help the reader to ’print’ the thoughts in his own environment.


05.10.2010
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荷兰

I do recognize David Benson’s struggle too though. Personally, I love to have church in the old buildings and just wished we would go back to them - instead of having them transformed into housing facilities, banks, theaters, etc. Also because so many have worshipped there before. That’s another issue though.

The new big buildings can and serve a purpose (can be heavily over the top too, so thank you for keeping us on the alert), as many from the so-called West would not come to a smaller building. Where at first all can see them coming. Would not come to a raggedy building, as all of their lives are in luxury. Will come to theater style services, as this is recognizable.

It is a struggle, but not only in the buildings, in all of our expenses, as a church and as a family or individual. Many churches have many new cars in the parkinglot, yet no money for youth ministry or missions abroad. People have money for the lastest fashion, CD’s, DVD’s and out for dinner, yet not for a Compassion Child or missionary support.

It is in everything: money, time, purpose,.... And not only unwillingness, but lack of insight and awareness. Many christians have not been raised anymore with giving 10% or serving others. Many don’t even know who they are living next to.

Calling back to humility in the Church needs to become part of the teaching again. We need magnanimity and humility. Knowing that we have been given much for which to be thankful. Knowing that we need Him to be wise. With the underlying awareness that humility and magnanimity come from Christ.


04.10.2010
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荷兰

Thank you for this paper. Biblical, gentle, firm and honest. Calling us again to look at what it really means to follow Christ: the truly humble One, humiliated for us. I will use this paper in speaking to and with young people and churches. Unity and service need to be discussed and lived again if we want to make an impact in todays world, with it’s lonely materialism and all it’s religions.


04.10.2010
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澳大利亚

Thanks for your passion and clarity--love your dream and hopes for Lausanne.  I also think the issue of finance is perhaps best kept as the last topic--not because it is unimportant, but because it can be divisive, though if our hearts are right, the generosity will flow and genuine partnerships will form.

That said, money has been playing on my mind.  In the introduction you noted that "some churches waste huge sums on Pharaonic buildings ... [while] others are unable even to pay a salary worthy of a pastor or support their missionaries with dignity."  

This hugely challenges our church in Brisbane.  We’re looking to build a new ministry centre, having reached capacity in what we’ve got some 5 years ago.  Without going into specifics of why we feel called to stick together rather than split and church plant, how do we navigate these issues as part of a global church with such disparity?  If the going rate for a suitable centre was in the millions, is this necessarily a "waste"?  Is it ever appropriate to spend this kind of money on a building?  Does our expenditure on this project inversely relate to mission giving?  

I wonder if just like my personal place of residence is appropriate to the suburb and context in which I live--neither extravagant nor a dive, erring on the side of simplicity--perhaps there is a godly place for even expensive buildings that are appropriate to our mission and cultural context?  Like many in the west where we have so much, I carry a "white man’s burden" of guilt, but I’m struggling to know how God would have me and the church I’m at invest that with which we are blessed.


29.09.2010
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西班牙

Enhorabuena por la reflexion acerca del equilibrio (palabra ostentosa), sobre las alianzas y cooperacion.  Pero me quedo con una de sus ultimas frases de alguno de sus suenos: "Cambiando nuestra manera de pensar, para asi cambiar nuestra manera de vivir.  Que el mundo ciertamente necesita algo mas que consultas, congresos... y terminar con tantos sistemas, metodos, programas y slogans; y que podamos ser amigos y socios en la evangelizacion.  Y poner dicho evangelio hasta lo ultimo de la tierra, con las ultimas consecuencias.

Me gusto mucho el libro editado para el evento de Comiban 2006, (al cual asisti) La Trasformacion de la Iglesia, el cual lei y me fue de gran bendicion.

Esperemos que el congreso de Lausana III sirva para poder seguir poniendole pies a los suenos.


31.07.2010
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@ Cesar_Jesus_Perez_Sa:

Cesar:


Muchas gracias por tu valioso comentario y ánimo.  Te imaginas que escribir este documento fue un buen desafío, sobre todo, para mantenerme fiel a lo que hemos tratado de predicar con el ejemplo durante nuestro tiempo en COMIBAM y más allá.  


 


¿estarás en el Cape Town?


David


31.07.2010
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西班牙
@ Druizwea:

Estimado David, vengo de leer tu conferencia y me ha gustado bastente. Es un tema dificil y de complejo tratamiento. Vengo ahora de Brasil y ya tenemos otros dos matrimonios de brasil con nosotros y pronto tendremos otros de Guatemala. Espero poder hacer un comentario mas en profundida sobre tu tema.


Recibe un cordial saludo.


24.09.2010
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危地马拉
@ Francis:

Francis, muchas gracias por tu comentario, casualmente estuve chateando con Leo esta tarde y me contó de tu visita y del buen tiempo que pasaron.


Quedo en espera de tus ideas para continuar enriqueciendo este documento


David


25.09.2010
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牙买加

Equilibrium speaks to balance.

Cooperation speaks to working together to achieve the same end.

Could we look some more at the concept of balance in Scripture as we see God at work?  Balance in creation - the planets line up in a particular way to support a universe that is centred in earth; male balances female; in the cycle of life there is balance - animals (herbivores, carnivores), plants, birds of the air, sea creatures, etc.  If we study the Creator and the steps he took to establish balance; if we study Israel and its laws; if we study the life and teachings of Christ - is there a pattern that provides an example for us to follow?  Unless the topic was thrown together without much thought (which I doubt), then we are pressed to consider the weight of the term "new equilibrium" - meaning something that has eveloved out of a pre-existing situation.  Having done that, then we may truly consider how the Body of Christ can work together to achieve this new paradigm.


23.09.2010
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美国

Dear David,

Thanks so much for the thoughtful presentation of your dreams.  Like other who have posted, I share them with you!  

I agree that humility and vulnerability are the key ingredients to seeing the global Body of Christ work together in love and unity.  So, how does one help to "create" this in relationships between men and women from the "old missions guard" of the global North and the "new missions guard" of the global South?  Authentic relationships?  It seems like space must be created for wildly different people (culturally, theologically, etc.) to BE TOGETHER to really know one another.

Longing for abstract and practical enjoy a meal together...

Matt 


21.09.2010
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加纳

God bless you for your article and for your passion. I only wish you would have given some practical instruction about what financial equilibrium looks like and how it can be achieved. Second, you wrote about unity, but what is the unity you are describing and what is it not. I would have liked a clearer definition of the term.


13.09.2010
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@ Jeff_Korum:

Dear Jeff:


Thank you very much for your valuable comments.  About the financial equilibrium, as I mentioned in my article, I think that we need to live with the reality of the lack of equilibrium, it is a way in which we could create a culture of generosity among us, as we see in Acts 2:42 an 4:34.  In other hand, the most important need is to grow to a more broader definition about resources, the main problem is we usually think in material terms, money, personnel, buildings, etc.  We need to know that passion, vision, life commitment are resources as well.  With this more biblical vision, it is possible to seat at the sharing table as equals to share resources and not only to ask of give financial resources. 


Thank you for let me now that a clear definition of unity is missed in my paper, I am working on it, but basically is what the Lord said in his other prayer in John 17, unity following the model of Christ, and the way in which Paul explained in Phil. 2:2, same mind, same love one accord c) looking each of us to the things of others.


Blessing,


David


14.09.2010
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台湾(中华民国)

Thank-you for your encouraging article. I dream your dream!

I find the topic of finance puzzling. Various homechurches of mine in the early days wanted me to give them a project to support. For 11 years I have not needed any finance for church planting. We have no buildings and use a minimum of resources (most people love to buy their own Bible). Offertory’s are able to go for looking after Christians needs, outreach and missions. We have no other needs. I have turned down offers of money for it seems it would just lead to unpleasantness and dependency. Our resources are the Christians themselves and their prayers. This is a joy and we are rich in love, prayer and Jesus himself. Lord, please don’t send us money!


04.08.2010
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中国
@ ChristineDillon:

We need to hear more voices such as yours!


I recall years ago applying for a foundation grant to support the initial phase of building for an agricultural demonstration center.  We were told that we weren’t asking for enough money--no one wanted to fund something cheap--and encouraged to "throw in a car or two" in order to make our application more "fundable."


What drives ministry?  What priorities shape our financial decisions?  It is a very sad situation indeed when finances and ministry work together to encourage brothers and sisters to lie about needs and wants. These kinds of "partnerships" founded on deception do not honor God, nor do they advance His Kingdom.  Needless to say, we did not submit an application with this foundation. 


04.08.2010
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西班牙

Si Dios lo permite estare en la ciudad del Cabo.  Aunque no le conozco mucho, mi esposa, Annie Gonzalez de Puerto Rico, ha tenido la oportunidad de compartir con usted y de conocerle en el congreso de Comiban 97.

Esperamos verle en Lausanna en el proximo mes de octubre.

Bendiciones...


03.08.2010
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新加坡

In this topic on “Partnering in the body of Christ”, the use of “Equilibrium” is somewhat puzzling. “Equilibrium” is a scientific term used to describe a stable condition. It is when various forces acting on a system have cancelled out each other. As a result, the system is now balanced and unchanging.  

What is the meaning of “towards equilibrium” in the body?  Does it refer to finding equilibrium when the body is struck by external forces or threats? Or restoring equilibrium when there are internal tensions or injuries? What is “towards new global equilibrium”?  Why is there a search for something new? Is it because the old system is no longer appropriate or less relevant? What is “global”? Does it refer to wholistic, or the whole world?

Whatever the case, we must not forget the Head of the body which holds all parts of the body together (Colossians 1:15-20), who creates all things, and reconciles to himself all things. The Head enables diverse parts to work in partnership.    


02.08.2010

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