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Autor: Bryan Kliewer
Data: 23.10.2010
Category: Sexualidade
Observação do Editor: Este Documento Avançado de Cape Town 2010 foi escrito por Bryan Kliewer com o objetivo de oferecer um panorama do tema a ser discutido na sessão Multiplex intitulada “Sexualidade: Criação, Quebrantamento, Verdade e Graça” Os comentários sobre este documento feitos através da Conversa Lausanne Global serão enviados ao autor e a outras pessoas para que se chegue ao formato final a ser apresentado no Congresso
INTRODUÇÃO
Uma razão para abordar o tema da sexualidade na conferência de Lausanne é que existem em todo o mundo 155 milhões(1) de pessoas envolvidas na homossexualidade e a igreja não está alcançando essas pessoas com o evangelho de maneira adequada.
Muitos na igreja, afirmam que não estão preparados para alcançar essas pessoas, além disso, existem muitas dúvidas em torno deste assunto. Os homossexuais devem ser convidados para vir à igreja? A igreja deve começar algum tipo de evangelismo formal? O que as igrejas devem fazer quando os homossexuais recebem a Cristo? Há maneiras eficazes de dar acompanhamento a novos cristãos com um passado homossexual? Como as igrejas devem responder aos cristãos que afirmam ter dificuldade com a homossexualidade?
Nós, que estamos na igreja, também temos dado informações e conselhos errados àqueles que recebem a Cristo. Dizemos às pessoas que elas precisam mudar antes de receber a Cristo – confundindo arrependimento com transformação. Interpretamos as Escrituras de forma incorreta, afirmando que se a pessoa luta contra problemas sexuais depois de receber a Cristo, é porque há algo errado com ela.
Algumas pessoas na igreja preferem não se envolver com elas e alguns as consideram ‘o inimigo’ e não ‘o perdido’. Esta visão de inimigo tem erguido barreiras entre os perdidos e o reino de Deus e também tem feito com que pessoas dentro e fora da igreja temam ser honestas a respeito de suas verdadeiras lutas com a sexualidade. Se considerarmos a resposta da igreja, podemos afirmar que este é o maior grupo deliberadamente não alcançado do mundo.
Os ensaios sobre este tema lançam um chamado à igreja; um chamado para uma mudança na sua abordagem aos homossexuais e à homossexualidade; um chamado para alcançá-los com a verdade e a graça de Deus. O que foi feito no passado estava distante do evangelho e não demonstrou a verdade e a graça de Deus. Não deveria haver um grupo de pessoas deliberadamente não alcançado.
Para ajudar a igreja a compreender este chamado, as sessões e os ensaios sobre a sexualidade têm os seguintes objetivos:
INTRODUÇÃO DO ENSAIO
Com esses objetivos em mente, foram escritos quatro ensaios que abordam a sexualidade, a verdade e a graça. O ensaio cobre os seguintes tópicos:
O QUE É HOMOSSEXUALIDADE?
Esta pergunta é um bom ponto de partida, porque existem informações contraditória de diferentes fontes, há confusão na igreja, e a igreja está respondendo de muitas maneiras diferentes. Responder o que parece ser uma simples pergunta não é fácil. Não há definição de homossexualidade que seja precisa e que inclua todos os aspectos. É provável que seja muito mais fácil dizer o que a homossexualidade não é. Não é defeito genético, desequilíbrio emocional, doença mental, ou resultado de possessão demoníaca.
Para responder a esta pergunta, vamos considerar quatro áreas: atração, comportamento, identidade e estilo de vida.
Atração
Às vezes, o termo homossexualidade é usado para se referir à atração pelo mesmo sexo e às vezes, a atração pelo mesmo sexo é chamada de orientação homossexual.
Por que as pessoas sentem atração pelo mesmo sexo? Esta é uma área onde há muita controvérsia.
Às vezes, a atração pelo mesmo sexo é temporária e ocorre somente por um curto período. Outras vezes, pode ser contínua. É importante entender que algumas pessoas que experimentam a atração pelo mesmo sexo não desejam isso, e há muitas pessoas que têm atração pelo mesmo sexo, mas não se identificam como homossexuais.
Alguns afirmam que a orientação homossexual é determinada biologicamente através dos genes ou dos hormônios, como são determinadas a raça e a cor dos olhos. Geralmente esta afirmação é usada para sustentar o argumento de que crianças e adolescentes que experimentam confusão ou dificuldade em seu desenvolvimento sexual deveriam ser informadas de que isso significa que são homossexuais e que deveriam abraçar a homossexualidade na vida adulta.
Embora as influências e predisposições genéticas possam contribuir para qualquer comportamento indesejado, é importante que não sejamos enganados. As origens da homossexualidade ainda não foram claramente compreendidas pelos cientistas e a discussão é polêmica. Os relatos da mídia afirmam muito mais do que a comunidade científica aceita. Na realidade, a ciência começou a demonstrar que comparar a atração pelo mesmo sexo com a raça ou a cor dos olhos - estes completamente determinados pelos genes - é uma comparação infeliz. A sexualidade é um aspecto complicado da nossa natureza. A ciência também está começando a estudar a variabilidade das atrações sexuais e que a mudança na atração sexual ocorre com bastante frequência em muitas pessoas.
Também podemos dizer que as pessoas não escolhem experimentar a atração pelo mesmo sexo. Ninguém acorda um dia, aos 15, 20 ou 50 anos de idade e diz: “Tenho sido heterossexual toda a minha vida mas hoje eu escolho ser homossexual.” Na realidade, a experiência da maioria das pessoas é que elas se sentem diferentes desde suas primeiras lembranças. Elas não queriam ter estes sentimentos e resistiram a eles durante anos.
As pessoas nascem gays? As pessoas decidem ser gays? Nenhuma destas afirmações simplistas é verdadeira e não são as únicas opções entre as quais devemos escolher. As causas da atração pelo mesmo sexo são mais complexas do que estas duas opções simplistas. Mais de cem anos de pesquisa e a ciência sustenta uma teoria de desenvolvimento, ou seja, a orientação homossexual é desenvolvida como uma resposta a uma combinação complexa de fatores: psicológicos (influências da infância tais como relacionamento pai-filho e abuso sexual infantil), ambientais (as influências do grupo, experiências com o mesmo sexo e iniciação sexual precoce), e biológicos, associados à escolha humana (experiências na vida adulta como a experimentação voluntária ou proposital e desinibição subcultural). Este processo aparentemente automático pelo qual a atração não-sexual pelas pessoas do mesmo sexo durante a infância se transforma em um desejo sexual pelo sexo oposto durante a puberdade não é, de maneira nenhuma automático. É a culminação de toda uma infância de experiência e desenvolvimento.
Alguns psicólogos expressaram da seguinte forma a relação entre as experiências na infância e a atração pelo mesmo sexo(2):
A homossexualidade é uma deficiência na habilidade da criança de se relacionar com pais do mesmo sexo que é levada para os adultos do mesmo sexo em geral. Colocado de outra forma, o problema com um adulto homossexual não é que ele queira o amor do mesmo sexo. É que suas necessidades de amor por um dos pais (do mesmo sexo) durante a infância nunca foram satisfeitas e eles estão tentando supri-las agora com relacionamentos com outros adultos do mesmo sexo e que incluem a atividade sexual como uma forma enganosa de receber amor.
O que a Bíblia diz sobre atração sexual? Ela diz que a sexualidade, incluindo o desejo, foi criada por Deus como parte de Sua imagem em nós. E disse Deus que essa atração era boa. O plano de Deus para nossa atração era que ela nos ajudasse a entender que não é bom que fiquemos sós. Nossa atração por uma pessoa do sexo oposto contribuiria para nos levar ao casamento onde nos tornaríamos uma só carne com nosso cônjuge. Deus criou a atração, o amor e a intimidade sexual entre o marido e a esposa como coisas boas que atendem a vários objetivos.
Entretanto, o pecado afetou nossa atração assim como afetou cada aspecto da criação de Deus. O resultado é que todos nós experimentamos esta atração afetada pelo pecado, que nos tenta a usar a sexualidade de maneira diferente do que Deus planejou. Às vezes a atração nos leva à tentação do sexo antes do casamento. Outras vezes leva-nos a tentação do sexo fora do casamento. Outros enfrentam atração por pessoas do mesmo sexo e outras enfrentam atração por crianças ou outras coisas. Deus não nos condena por experimentarmos uma atração ou tentação específica. Deus afirma que estamos condenados pela natureza do pecado. Deus não diz que experimentar a atração pelo mesmo sexo é pecado. Deus também não diz que podemos escolher nossas tentações. Mas Ele diz que ir das tentações às ações (sejam elas em nossa imaginação ou na realidade física) é um ato pecaminoso.
É válido para a igreja, desenvolver uma melhor compreensão da atração pelo mesmo sexo.
Isto ajuda a igreja a entender que cristãos e não cristãos podem experimentar a atração pelo mesmo sexo. Também ajuda a igreja a responder às pessoas que experimentam uma indesejada atração pelo mesmo sexo, que não querem ter um comportamento pecaminoso ou que não querem adotar uma identidade homossexual.
Esta compreensão ajuda a igreja e os cristãos individualmente a lidar com a distinção entre tentação e pecado. A atração pelo mesmo sexo pode levar à tentação de pensamento ou de comportamento de lascívia, da mesma forma que à tentação da atração pelo sexo oposto. A experiência da tentação de ser atraído para pessoa do mesmo sexo ou do sexo oposto não é pecaminosa. Ela é a prova de que o pecado afetou a sexualidade das pessoas, fazendo com que sejam tentadas a usar a sexualidade de uma forma que Deus não planejou. Em ambos os casos, as pessoas não são forçadas a cair nas tentações. Tentações podem ser resistidas e superadas no poder do Espírito Santo.
Uma melhor compreensão deste assunto oferece direção à igreja no que se refere aos tipos de ministérios que podem ser úteis às pessoas que experimentam atração pelo mesmo sexo.
Comportamento
Às vezes o termo homossexualidade é usado com referência à atividade sexual de homens com outros homens e mulheres, com outras mulheres.
Entretanto, esta definição de comportamento homossexual não é precisa. Há aqueles que têm uma experiência homossexual breve e experimental e não se consideram homossexuais; e há aqueles que se envolvem em atividades homossexuais e que também não se consideram homossexuais.
Quando consideramos o comportamento homossexual, devemos observar que não há absolutamente, nenhuma atestação do comportamento homossexual em qualquer lugar da Bíblia. Pelo contrário, a instrução constante na Bíblia é a castidade para aqueles que estão fora do casamento heterossexual monogâmico e a fidelidade para aqueles que vivem este casamento. Também há abundante evidência de que o comportamento homossexual, juntamente com o comportamento heterossexual ilícito é imoral e está sob o julgamento de Deus.
A igreja precisa atestar com confiança a verdade das Escrituras. Se a igreja declara que a homossexualidade é pecado e depois se cala, então a igreja não declarou a verdade a partir das Escrituras. Ela deixou de fora verdades importantes das Escrituras, criando barreiras que impedem as pessoas de ouvir o evangelho e de reivindicar o Reino de Deus. Jesus afirmou claramente que Deus não fica feliz quando pessoas, especialmente os líderes religiosos, criam barreiras que impedem outros de participar do Reino de Deus.
As importantes verdades das Escrituras sobre a homossexualidade incluem o fato de que todos nós temos uma sexualidade ferida e afetada pelo pecado e todos nós seremos tentados a usar a sexualidade de uma forma distante do que Deus planejou. Outra verdade é que a resposta de Deus às pessoas que enfrentam essas dificuldades é uma resposta de misericórdia, perdão e graça verdadeira, que leva à redenção e a uma nova vida em Cristo. O resultado disso é que a igreja deve ser um lugar que receba as pessoas que já se envolveram na homossexualidade e que hoje não mais a praticam. Pessoas que foram justificadas. I Coríntios 6:9-11 reconhece claramente a presença de ex-homossexuais na igreja. O texto os inclui entre os ex-pecadores que foram perdoados, justificados em Cristo e em Cristo receberam uma nova identidade. É certo que o Apóstolo Paulo sabia que havia ex-homossexuais em sua igreja local e ele celebrava a liberdade deles em Cristo Jesus. Este texto comunica a tremenda esperança e bondade de Deus.
O material de apoio “O que a Bíblia Diz sobre a Homossexualidade” oferece uma discussão mais abrangente deste tema.
Identidade
Para algumas pessoas, a atração ou o comportamento homossexual pode levar à adoção de uma identidade homossexual. Quando o termo ‘homossexualidade’ é usado neste sentido, significa que uma pessoa define a si mesma como um homossexual. Essas pessoas alicerçam na própria homossexualidade, a sua identidade ou a percepção de si mesmas. Isto pode ocorrer mesmo que elas nunca venham a desenvolver um comportamento homossexual.
Adotar uma identidade baseada na homossexualidade é destrutivo, pois esta identidade é falsa. Todos nós somos tentados a desenvolver uma falsa identidade separada de Deus, mas toda falsa identidade leva à destruição. O plano redentor de Deus é dar-nos uma nova e verdadeira identidade em Cristo. Somos exortados nas Escrituras a nos vestir desta nova identidade. (2 Co 5:17).
Para muitos homossexuais que aceitam a Jesus e a nova vida que Ele oferece, sua verdadeira transformação não é tão centrada no comportamento, na atração, ou no diabo. Em vez disso, sua transformação verdadeira é centrada no coração. É uma mudança de identidade de dentro para fora. Esta transformação de identidade resultará em transformação de comportamento.
Cristãos bem intencionados geralmente se concentram no comportamento e concluem que se uma pessoa interrompe seu comportamento homossexual está tudo bem. Este é um grande erro. A jornada de abandono da homossexualidade não termina ou começa com o comportamento. Mesmo tendo cessado o comportamento homossexual, ainda há muito trabalho a ser feito no processo de assumir uma nova identidade em Cristo.
Afastar-se de uma identidade arraigada e por muito tempo mantida e seguir em direção a uma nova identidade que às vezes é difícil de ser compreendida, pode ser muito mais desafiador do que simplesmente interromper um comportamento indesejado.
Esta busca por uma identidade baseada somente em Cristo não é exclusiva daqueles que deixam a homossexualidade. Todas as pessoas estão em busca da verdadeira identidade, Entretanto, para muitas pessoas, a fonte de sua falsa identidade não é evidente. No caso da homossexualidade, a identidade falsa é clara.
A falsa identidade de um homossexual geralmente se torna parte integrante do que eles pensam ser. Talvez seja o resultado da força de seu sofrimento. As pessoas geralmente começam com uma acirrada batalha interna contra a atração que experimentam pelo mesmo sexo. Mas o mundo as bombardeia com a mentira de que esta atração significa que são homossexuais e que sua homossexualidade é imutável. Isto traz grande estresse à suas vidas. Quando sua resistência interna falha, e essas pessoas finalmente decidem abraçar a identidade que o mundo as encoraja a abraçar, há um grande sentimento de alívio. Pela primeira vez na vida, elas se sentem confortáveis com o que são e isso origina a infeliz decisão de reforçar este novo sentimento de identidade.
Graças à conexão entre seus sentimentos e sua identidade, as pessoas identificadas como gays não distinguem entre quem são e o que fazem. Sendo assim, a desgastada frase cristã “ame o pecador, odeie o pecado” não faz sentido para os homossexuais. Tudo o que eles ouvem é a palavra “odeie”, porque eles não distinguem entre quem são e o que fazem.
Deixar a homossexualidade significa entregar uma identidade gay no altar de Cristo e aceitar a nova identidade que Ele tem a oferecer. Para muitos, esta é uma batalha extremamente difícil pois lhes parece o abandono de algo que, afinal, deu-lhes a percepção de quem são.
Estilo de Vida
Outras vezes, a homossexualidade é mais uma afirmação social e política em que a pessoa homossexual abraça um estilo de vida que é solidário à homossexualidade.
Abraçar esse estilo de vida envolve cercar-se de uma subcultura gay como apoio. Essas pessoas cercam-se de amigos gays, trabalham em um estabelecimento gay, freqüentam bares ou boates gays, etc. Com este estilo de vida gay intacto, elas sentem-se menos só e têm a sensação de pertencer a um grupo.
Quando convidamos um homossexual para receber a Cristo estamos pedindo que ele desista de seu senso de identidade, e que abandone um grande grupo de apoio. Eles podem ser tratados como traidores daquelas pessoas que os amaram e os receberam, e estão trocando tudo isso por um grupo de apoio estranho e desconhecido que eles podem ou não, encontrar na comunidade cristã.
Compreender o desafio de quem desiste de uma identidade pela qual muito lutou e agora deixa um grande grupo de apoio, deveria ajudar a igreja a perceber que precisa oferecer a essa pessoa, muito encorajamento, comunhão e apoio. A nova identidade desta pessoa terá oportunidade de criar raízes e florescer na comunidade de fiéis? Ou ela se sentirá abandonada por seus velhos amigos da comunidade gay, e ao mesmo tempo rejeitada e mal compreendida por seus novos irmãos e irmãs em Cristo?
TEXTOS ADICIONAIS
Acompanhando este ensaio, há três outros, que estão sendo oferecidos como documentos individuais
Ensaio #2 – A Homossexualidade e a Igreja. Este ensaio discute porque a igreja deve ministrar pessoas afetadas pela homossexualidade.
Ensaio #3 – A Obra de Deus para Redimir e Transformar Pessoas Envolvidas na Homossexualidade. Este ensaio discute como Deus redime e transforma as pessoas envolvidas na homossexualidade.
Ensaio #4 – Preparando a Igreja para Responder com Verdade e Graça. Este ensaio discute como a igreja pode responder com a verdade e a graça de Deus.
CONCLUSÃO
Deus está chamando a igreja para responder com Sua verdade e graça aos homens e mulheres afetados pela homossexualidade. Muitos de nós, na igreja, os reduzimos a ativistas que lutam contra a tradição e a moralidade bíblica. Muitos de nós temos os corações endurecidos em relação a eles, a ponto de não considerá-los pessoas perdidas que Deus quer trazer para Seu Reino. Nosso chamado é alcançar, com o amor de Cristo, estes 155 milhões de homens e mulheres em todo o mundo. (João 13:34).
Os homens e as mulheres gays não estão excluídos ou isentos do amor, da graça, da salvação e da cura de Deus. A paixão de Deus deve ser nossa paixão: que ninguém pereça, mas que todos tenham a vida eterna.
Deus deixou conosco esta responsabilidade. Cremos e confiamos na habilidade da igreja de ganhar, através de Cristo, homens e mulheres homossexuais para Cristo. Estamos todos juntos nesta obra, através de Cristo, cumprindo a Grande Comissão. Deus nos deu tudo o que precisamos para alcançar pessoas com as boas novas do reino de Deus e curar aqueles que precisam de cura. Que Deus nos prepare para responder, com a Sua verdade e graça para que homens e mulheres envolvidos na homossexualidade vejam que Deus os ama e quer trazê-los para o Seu reino.
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Estados Unidos
How important it is for us as the body of Christ to not only love homosexuals as people, but to also be a community that will provide a safe and welcoming environment to everyone! This is a great article to examine some aspects of homosexuality. We must be willing to accept people for who they are at their core instead of judging them for their actions and choices. Let us live our lives loving the outcasts.
17.04.2011
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@ abrown13:
I think it is imperative to love the sinner and hate the sin. And accept people that they are human and we all fall short but we can’t accept the sin as a lifestyle. Is that not why Jesus died to reconnect us back to the Father. So if sin separates us from God why would be accept it. Some people get confused with loving someone and accepting their actions. I love you but I will not tolerate the sin that separates you from the one I am preaching about. Yes, come as you are…but the Holy Spirit convicts your heart so you won’t stay as you are…we have to grow in Christ. How is there growth when have claim to stay in a state of sin that God forbids…and this goes for all sin not just homosexuality. But Homosexuality seems like the sin people want to proclaim and live the Gospel. I just don’t understand.
21.04.2011
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@ JourneywithCHRISTie:
See reply to JRuth
23.04.2012
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@ zephora_waiters:
I don’t need to see any other response. I wrote this a year ago and I still feel the same way. I believe it is sin and we can’t live a lifestyle that way. I didn’t say ostracize anybody. Again I SAY....love the sinner, hate the sin. There is no way around it. Call sin, sin. People need to stop making excuses on why we sin. WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE. I can be going through menapuase and my libido is through the roof, but it doesn’t excuse me from having sex with any and everybody. I don’t respond to my flesh, my body is not my own, so I have to give my lust and desires to God in whom I trust that can deliver me from them. So say whatever you like and explain the ignorance of sin however you choose. We all have the propensity of some type of sin, but when we are believers, we consciously and spiritually choose not to yield to it. No it is not easy. But homosexuality seems like the sin that is not recognized as such. Bottom line you can’t make me believe different against the bible. We will all be accountable. GOD’S WORD my life, no matter how man disagrees.
23.04.2012
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@ JourneywithCHRISTie:
But you said it, “when we are believers” and as God’s elected people as those who are Christians, Christ-like it is our purpose to bring people from sin to salvation just as Christ did. You cannot hold anger against a person and bring them to salvation. Ephesians 4:26-27 26 “In your anger do not sin”a: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold.” Many Christians are angry at both homosexuality and homosexuals. Once a person has accepted Christ as their Savior that person allows the Holy Spirit to move in their lives compelling them to do what is pleasing in God’s sight and repelling them from what is sin. We do not resist the temptations of the flesh alone it is the Holy Spirit that works within us that keeps us from the sins of the flesh. You cannot expect someone who is not of Christ to behave like he/she is of Christ. I cannot, I will not excuse sin in my life but as a sinner which we all are, I cannot judge others. Matt 7:1 Christ has already forgiven all sin (not excused it) so the goal is to bring people to salvation so that they will not commit sin.
23.04.2012
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@ zephora_waiters:
With all due respect, please do not respond to me anymore. I am not anger. You address me like you know me and you have no clue...There is no hatred of the sinner but it is for the sin any and all. God bless you.
24.04.2012
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@ JourneywithCHRISTie:
I am not angry...is what it was suppose to say.
24.04.2012
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@ JourneywithCHRISTie:
Please forgive me if I have offended you my sister. My passion comes from knowing the hurt and pain of young people who are sexually confused because they had an encounter and the world says that they homosexual, or the young women who have suffered sexual and physical abuse by men that they now seek out other women. I work hard to bring them to Christ who will give them healing, who will show them love, not sex. Again forgive me.
25.04.2012
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@ abrown13:
This could not have been said this any better. When it comes down to it, we are not the ultimate judge. So our goal is to love people where they are, not when they decide to change. I love how the article talks about how we do not choose our sins, but we can choose when we give into temptation.
05.12.2012
Estados Unidos
There is a fine line between accepting the person for who they are, broken and in need of hope, and accepting their behavior. Asking God to make our hearts pure and to guide the words from our mouth can only solve the unsure voices in our head. Giving into homosexuality is not just a personal problem, but can ruin friendships, marriages, and families. It breaks down the trust between a husband and wife. It is an issue that needs to be won over by Gods love and mercy. With culture telling people that this act is completely normal, the Christian faith does not stand a chance.
03.12.2012
Estados Unidos
This article is great. I agree with the author that homosexuality is not a genetic defect, mental illness, hormone imbalance or demonic possession it’s a sinful behavior just like adultrey and fornication. I love the scientific research and agree that parent child relationships, childhood abuse, sexual experiences, peer groups, etc. along with free choice can contribute to this type of behavior. The author is right in that some Christians are homophobic and don’t show the love, grace and mercy of God like they should. As far as churches go most don’t know how to minister to the homosexual I feel this may be because they will have to examine the other sexual sins that are being practiced in the church by some of it’s members adultrey and fornication.The bottom line is sin separates us from God and it needs to be dealth with not excused so the individual can be free and walk in their victory through Jesus Christ our Lord.
16.03.2011
Estados Unidos
@ journey:
I also enjoyed this article and believe you hit the nail on the head. Many churches steer clear of discussing homosexuality because to discuss one sexual sin you would have to explore all of them. This is evident of those in the academy as well. Very little seminaries have courses discussing sexuality in the church and Bible. Even to this conversation, the articles on sexuality only have a couple of comments posted.
17.04.2011
Estados Unidos
@ journey:
To ask questions and play the devil’s advocate a bit:
What exactly proves that homosexuality is not any of the things you mentioned? (mental illness or abnormality, genetic predisposition)
Can homosexuality be one of these things and still be sin?
For some reason, I am reminded of the people of Jesus’ day who believed that physical disability was a result of the parents’ sin. Disability was viewed as being outside the sphere of holiness.
19.04.2011
Estados Unidos
@ JediMasterReed:
I love your question, because when it comes to what causes people to act the way they do we cannot continue to simply throw scriptures at them and move on. There are many things in the lives of individuals that drive their behavior such as hormones and mental illness. As a medical professional I cannot dismiss the strength of hormonal imbalance on homosexuality. I worked with a woman who described herself as a lesbian. She was very muscular, she shaved every day, her testosterone levels were high, and her ovaries were small (she shared this information with me). In essence hormonally she was a man in a woman’s body. It really did not surprise me that she was a lesbian. Anyone one who thinks they can dismiss the strength of hormones has only to ask a adolescent experiencing puberty or a woman experiencing menopause.
You must understand and validate these issues if you are to engage people and bring them to Christ. How can you speak of God the father to a woman who has been severely abused by her father? You must understand her perspective such as her hurt and distrust of a father, before you can begin to talk to her about God. As with the homosexual you must understand that how they view their sexuality drives how they live and how they relate to others. In both cases we cannot lose sight that the goal is to bring people to Christ. God and God alone will evaluate their sin and transform their behavior. We cannot keep people from God due to their behavior because only the transformation of salvation will change their behavior.
As with the ignorance of the past in relation to those with disabilities, you are so on point with your comment. The reality is we are holy because God is holy, so we are in no position to judge.
23.04.2012
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@ zephora_waiters:
zephora,
Thank you again for your post and comments. As humans we tend to have a phobia about human sexuality when it differs from what we practice and believe. As Christians, I believe we need to reach out to ALL God’s children. I cannot simply reach out to those who think or act like I do. One of the most frequent commands found in our Scripture is "Don’t fear." Why are we so afraid of those people who think and act differently then we do. Are we afraid that their ways will change us such that we become like them? I know that my God’s power in my life and influence in my life is much stronger than that.
Thank you for touching base on the medical and mental issues involved with homosexuality. I have heard so many people say that it is a choice and if you have ever taken the time to sit down with a LGBT person you would know that their struggles with their life have not been easy and are not a choice to them. It’s who they are. I for one cannot dispute whether it is a choice or the way they were born because I do not have medical training but I have to believe that no one would willingly endure the pains that LGBT people go through just for how they feel.
I agree, we are holy because God is holy and we are NOT in a position to judge but instead to offer love just as He offered love. Judgment is left to Jesus not humans.
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@ Graeper:
When we see people as God sees them through love and with the power of the Holy Spirit we will always see their need for God. The needs of humanity are so great that only God can transform their lives and only God should because God created us and knows us best. Thank you for seeing people through love.
23.04.2012
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@ zephora_waiters:
I realize that it is okay to agree to disagree. One thing I believe we agree on is that we must show the love of Christ and be transformed by the renewing of the mind. We have all sinned and will sin again by thought, word, or deed. One is no better than the other and love covers a multitude of sin.
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@ J_Ruth:
I agree also that it is very important that we show the love of Christ. Because as Christians we have a love for God, and that it a pre-requisite of loving people. We may not like what people do but we must certainly must love them. It is important that we remember that love covers a multitude of sin. When we as christians do not understand forgiveness then we miss the biblical point.
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@ PAHayes:
We get training on our jobs and it is very essential that we get training in the household of faith. It is a new day and ministry in the 21st century has taken on a new facet. We must also have compassion and must always be sensitive to others even the homosexual. Personally I have devoted myself in praying and fasting and have asked God to give me guidance as well as love to be able to minister to those who are attracted to the same sex. I also prayed that I do not have a sense of being judgemental because I know that I cannot show love when this occurs.
Donnie Thurman
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@ DonnieLewisThurman:
I don’t have an argument concerning the display of love, but this becomes an catch all, or an excuse for not handling matter in an responsible manner. Some of the issues related to the disobedience of mankind as it relates to God, must be exmained closer than placing an demonic tag on it. And the more we shy away from preparing to be effective counselor to assist others in their pursuit to understand, the greater the problem grows.
02.07.2012
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@ Dharris3:
Love is never an excuse; it is the core of how God has taught us through the actions of Jesus, to act toward one another. This idea that we are called to “handle” sin is a huge misconception. We cannot forgive sin, we cannot transform lives, nor can we keep people from sinning. If we think that we are called to keep people from sinning them we will exist in eternal state of frustration, because God has also given us choice. Only God, the Father who loves us, Jesus who sacrificed so that our sins are forgiven, and the Holy Spirit who when manifest transforms our lives and keeps us from sin can impact us as sinners. The proof of this is that in all the years of preaching, judgment and condemnation from the church about sin yet we still sin. The reality is that until people are truly saved by not only confessing with their mouths but believing in our hearts, the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in our lives, having a desire to follow God’s commandments and loving all of humanity as stated in 1 John 2, 3 and 4 we will sin. As a minister I am called to teach God’s commandments yes, but first I must teach and encourage a stronger connection/relationship with God to those I minister to. Without that connection we would all succumb to temptation and sin. An effective counselor has a relationship with his client based on compassion and an understanding of how his client views the world. If you have no understanding of the causes of homosexual behavior or you dismiss these causes under the label of willful sin, you will not be able to effectively counsel homosexuals and we as Christians will continue to push them away from God with our hateful attitudes and judgmental actions. Everyone needs God because only God can keep us from sinning.
04.07.2012
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@ journey:
You hit the nail on the head and just hamred it in. I believe that many people in the church do not speak up or out about homosexuality because of their own hidden issues. I also believe that many have sexual idenities and that is why they are so homophobic. I look at so many of our leaders in the Church who are sexually abusing, misusing and misguding but want to condem those who are struggling with Homosexual behaviors. I think that authenticity is what the church lacks and humility.
12.07.2012
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@ journey:
I think that their are alot of person who fail to be true and transparent about their own sexual sins and it does cause them to condem others. I think we use the notion that its a sin to be homosexual as an excuse to cover up our own mess. Yet no sin is greater than the other. I all sin will be judged. I believe that the church lacks authenicity.
12.07.2012
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@ zephora_waiters:
I agree that we do need to see people as God sees them. I do believe that we have to meet people where they are. I think that often times we fail in our mission to be witness becuause we go in with the wrong intentions. Our motives should always be to steer people towards God and not away from God. We steer people away with our actions and words.
12.07.2012
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@ PAHayes:
I think this topic is an uncomfortable one due to the nature of it. We have to tell the truth- we have to preach the gospel and stand on it’s word- Christians make a big deal out homosexuality- We have see more than the sin when we deal with all individuals. Sin is inside the church every Sunday- Why are we more disturbed by this one?
18.07.2012
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@ PAHayes:
The topic of homosexuality is uncomfortabe to discuss I believe due to its nature. Sin is sin. Christians make a big deal out of this one. Preach and teach the word of God. Try to see more than an indiviual sin and go after the soul- Sin is in church every Sunday- Homosexuality seems to stand out. Why?
18.07.2012
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@ J_Ruth:
I agree - Christians don’t get caught up with one particular sin- get caught up in praying for deliverance-Chrisitians don’t need to debate if it is right or wrong - our job is to share the gospel in LOVE-
18.07.2012
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@ DonnieLewisThurman:
Thanks so much for sharing. We all have our personal feelings about implodable topics (homosexuality, abortion, etc.) and it can be hard to put our feelings aside and love the person. During this process we can hurt and offend a lot of people. I believe this is where the church begins to have such a bad rep when it come to homosexuality. We open our mouth or facial expressions before we have learned to love a person as a child of God. This can be a vicious cycle.
03.12.2012
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This paper clears up many misunderstandings in the Identity section. Signs of “Gay Culture” embed itself all over the United States. There are parades, stores, movies, clubs, phones apps, and merchandise that all welcome homosexual behavior. If all Christians were as welcoming as this to all people, then we might be able to reach people in ways we could never imagine.
03.12.2012
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This is indeed a very difficult issue that the church is facing. As a lay leader with a child who has adopted the homosexual lifestyle, I can contest that it is very complex and delicate issue to deal with, both as a church leader and as a parent. It is nice to see an article such as this that expresses the delicate nature of the subject and the complexities involved. On the church side, we want to strive to convince the individuals that what they are doing is wrong and must be rejected in order to have full fellowship with god. But on the human side, we go either to the extreme of accepting the individual as they are, and in some cases enabling, or we reject them totally because they are different and we don’t know how to minister to them. This set of articles helps to shed some light on a very difficult issue and churches, and Christians, will do well to consider the information supplied.
20.11.2012
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@ dg8074:
dg8074,
I applaud you for your honesty. I have often wondered that when it comes to things like this, if this were to manifest itself in the families of folks who constantly belittle and berate the homosexual community, would they continue to belittle and berate as loud as they do? I can only imagine your struggle, and can only imagine just how delicate of a topic this is for you and yours. It is easy to take a stand on something when it has no immediate bearing on our lives. But when it shows up on your own front doorstep it becomes a different story. May God help you and your family as you continue to struggle with this situation. And I pray that through your experience you can impart some Godly wisdom to the rest of us.
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@ modelk66:
Thank you for your support and prayers. You are absolutely right that when it shows up on your own doorstep it becomes a different story. I have to admit that it required a significant amount of soul-searching in order to come to terms with the situation. And you are right, it looks different from this perspective. Prior to this, I am ashamed to say, I was on the belittling and berating side of the fence. It is still very difficult, but perhaps I am the one who needed to experience it most. At any rate, I am more prepared now to begin ministering to those affected by this issue and I am better equipped to begin my local church on the journey of ministry instead of belittling and berating.
20.11.2012
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@ dg8074:
Praise God for opening your heart! I am praying for you and your family. Love your child. A parent’s love and support can do so much to aid in the healing of broken lives and spirits. Many homosexuals have brokeness in their lives that need spiritual healing. Let God be your guide and let God be God, who conquered sin and death on the cross, and who seeks for each and every one of us to have a strong connection with him through love, trust and obedience. Love must come first. Love of God and love of our neighbor (humanity). I am rejoicing in the love and healing that your family will experience through God. I will pray for the strength of your love for your child and God.
25.11.2012
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@ dg8074:
I cannont agree with you more about the fact that homosexuality is such a sensative topic. This article takes in consideration every aspect of homosexuality and handles it with such professionalism. I work in public health and the viewe of homosexuality is looked at as a behavior that is equal to that of a man and a woman. The article words their view point in away that everyone can agree on one part of the paper.
03.12.2012
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Secular society says that homosexuality is a completely normal part of life and love is love no matter who is involved. However, the bible does not mention this. It does mention that we will face many temptations in life. Many people claim that they are gay and their actions are viewed as a normal part of the human life. They often say that they were born gay and have had feelings for the same-sex their entire life. This paper states that homosexuality comes from a combination of psychological, environmental, and biological factors that happen during childhood.Having a sinful nature cannot be something we avoid, because we are born into a world of sin. i agree with the statemetn “God does not say that experiencing same-sex attractions is a sin. Nor does God say that we can choose our temptations.’ If a person focuses on what God wants for their lives, then the temptation is not as strong.
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Power of words and our minds. This is what stood out to me as i read this aritcle. I words hold so much weight. For our words can bring life or death. I believe that so many people stay in a sinful lifestyle because of the in ability to find encouargment from the Body of Chirst. Yes i do believe that Homosexuality is a sin. I do believe that we sin because we are trying to fill voids that only God can fill. When i am down the last thing that i want to hear is that you messed up and your not worthy of being in relationship with other fellow believers. Sadly the church makes many people who struggle with Homosexuality feel this very way. Even if you do not say with your mouth your actions say it even louder. I am also conviced that when a person has something in their mind its hard to break free unless you are conceted to a power source. WE Have left the Homosexual Community half dead and we pass them by with our mindset, and our words. Break Free Church so that we can do the will of God and MAKE DISCIPLES!!!!
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And here is a clear example of what NOT to say about this issue from the pulpit:
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/22/11813973-charles-worley-north-carolina-pastor-faces-backlash-outrage-over-call-for-gays-to-be-put-behind-electric-fence?lite
And it is scenes/events/comments/attitudes like this that make reaching out as the body of Christ to disenfranchised people nearly impossible. So much damage has been done just through one 2 minute clip. Look at the comments of hatred toward Christianity, religion, God, the Bible, etc. that follow every clip on every website you find with this. This goes beyond "loving the sinner but hating the sin." It leaves a taste of anger, bitterness, disgust, resentment, and horror in my mouth. I can only imagine what it is doing to others.
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@ modelk66:
There is no hate in Jesus. Anything that is not love is not of God. Why is the sin of the homosexual seen as a sin that is greater than any other? Why is there no great outcry against the child molester who have caused many people to choose a homosexual lifestyle due to the deep pain caused from being molested. Why is there no outcry against human trafficking for the purpose of prostitution and sexual slavery? I could go on and on. Here is what concerns me everyone is feeling puffed up because the voters said that they were right, but we must be careful when we as Christians begin to agree with the masses. God has set us apart to be a light to humanity, not to spread the darkness of hate. The statement “love the sinner, hate the sin” already is not of God because of the word hate. How about Love the sinner and let God through Christ’s forgiveness and the power of the Holy Spirit deal with the sin.
06.06.2012
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@ zephora_waiters:
There are serial issues within your comment I would like to address. It is “not” that there isn’t any “great outcries” regarding child olestation, or human trafficking for prostitution. There are outcries in those areas taking place daily; but as it regards “homosexuality”, those practicing homosexual lifestyles are making the “outcry” for acceptance within the church and society for their blatant act of disobedience. The comment regarding “love the sinner, hate the sin” would be accurate if you are considering loving humanity, but not loving the acts of humanity. When our children do the wrong thing; we do not stop loving our children, even though we hate (dislike) what they have done.
28.06.2012
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@ zephora_waiters:
Does God love me, even though I don’t want to follow his will? Can we clearly state to those living a homosexual lifestyle, God is okay with them living opposite the way he has designed? Have you been so quick to forget; for years many churches have been operating under a “don’t ask, don’t tell policy. Allowing those practicing this lifestyle to operating in in the church and many time in leadership position. While at the same time turning out young men within the church under the façade of friendship and Christian brotherhood. Many of those you are advocating for are the very ones perpetuating the problem. I say this not only to those practicing homsexuality, but to all those who are in the church in positions of leadership and the like, hurting the body by not being a REAL part of the HEALING needed in the church.
02.07.2012
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@ Dharris3:
Of Course God loves us even when we do not follow his will! God loving humanity has NOTHING to do with how we act or what we choose to do. There is nothing we can do to affect God’s love for us, because WE ARE ALL SINNERS! It is our own disobedience from Adam until now that separates us from God, not God’s lack of love for us. Jesus loved those who crucified him and died to give all sinners the opportunity of salvation. God has given us free will, so we can choose but nothing but the power of the Holy Spirit can keep someone from committing a sin. It is not for us to condone or to judge sin but to teach others to seek a closer connection with God so that the power of the Holy Spirit can move in and through them compelling them to do what is right in God’s sight and repelling them from sin. As for churches with leadership living sinful lives I will put forth the idea that all who confess to be saved are not saved, and that God’s will is not practiced in every pulpit or church. But again ONLY God can transform a sinner and each of us is only responsible for own actions toward one another. The point of this article is that if we view homosexuals only through the lens of their sin and deliberately make them an unreached people group them WE are disobeying God’s mandate of the “Great Commission”.
04.07.2012
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God calls for mankind to
come out of their place(s) of origin and worship Him. This is a decision every believer must make. Mankind is offered the opportunity to “choose” to worship and follow God, or worship and follow their desires. While choice may not be considered a primary factor for determining the root of homosexuality, according to the author of the article; it is a factor to be considered. The influences of the other factors contribute to the thought pattern, held by the individual; which are some of the same factors mankind as a whole is faced with. The final consideration one makes after deliberating over the factors,
and which has the greater influence, and value to them; a decision or choice is made; regardless if it is to try it temporarily or live it permanently. In the letters to the Romans: Paul state the issues is the “mindset”, or the attitude one has taken regarding their actions. The overarching factor which is addressed within the writings in the Bible, deals with “choice.” Our choices are the products of thoughts regarding what we value, and those things which influence us.
27.06.2012
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@ Dharris3:
Dharris3, you hit on a very important aspect regardless of whether it involves homosexuality or getting out of bed in the morning. That aspect is choice. Everything we do in this life is based on a choice or decision we make. And every choice has a consequence - either good or bad. If I choose to get out of bed, get ready for the day and go to work, my consequence is I get paid for doing so. If I choose to get out of bed and stay home and wach tv or play on the internet all day and stay out of work, my consequence is I do NOT get paid and may even lose my job. I am not a scientist, so I cannot prove if people really are "born this way" or not, but even if they are, at some point there is a choice made to go one way or another. Everyone - at some point in time during their life - faces the struggle or temptation to experiment, or at least entertain thoughts, with homosexuality. Even if it was just one fleeting moment in time that has been deeply repressed, we have all been faced with this at some point. Some, have chosen to repress it to the point that they have become extremely homophobic and will not even hug someone of the same sex for any reason, even in public non-sexual situations like a celebration or a funeral. Others have chosen to grasp onto the lifestyle with such vigor they become a national spokesperson advocating homosexuality and even writing songs to promote the idea of being born homosexual and claiming they have no choice at all. I have heard and listened to the arguments from both extremes. Someway, we as Christians have to find a middle ground. Not condoning homosexual activity, but not condemning the people that do get caught up in it. Making comments like the North Carolina, USA pastor who said to put them all behind a fence and let them eventually die off does nothing for the cause of Christ except make us all look like Pharisees of the most egotistical, arrogant, and hypocritical kind. At the same time, allowing homosexuals to be priests, bishops, and denominational presidents goes too far in the opposite direction and does nothing for the cause of Christ except making us all look like Pharisees of the most egotistical, arrogant, and hypocritical kind. In both camps, while this is hated or condoned, something else is condoned or hated that is just as much an issue of tension as this. I will refer to a post I made concerning the adulteress woman. If I understand anything at all about Jesus - which I most likely understand the least about Him of any of us - it is this: He is always consistent. He has treated and will continue to treat every sinner - REGARDLESS of their sin - in the same way. He did not condone her activity, but he did not condemn her either. He gave her an opportunity to make a choice. She knew what she was doing was wrong, even if she had convinced herself it wasn’t, and even if she used everything within her to justify her actions and even claim that is was beyond her power or control. She was brought to a point where she realized the truth about her actions and her choices, though how she was brought to that realization was in itself wrong as well. Which is why Jesus did what He did. The Pharisees knew she could be stoned, Jesus knew she could be stoned, even SHE knew she could be stoned. But Jesus offered compassion instead, and not just to her. Jesus could have stood in the Pharisees faces and raked them over the coals for their actions, condemning them in the most belittling of manners. But this would have given the woman the sense that she was justified in her actions and possibly galvanized her against thinking she did anything wrong. Jesus also could have humiliated the woman further by scolding her in a very public and demeaning shame and disgrace, which would have exonerated the Pharisees and made them feel they had the rights and power to go around condeming people as they pleased. Jesus did neither. When you look at what happens, Jesus offered compassion, pardon, and forgiveness to both the woman AND the Pharisees. Jesus made every person in His midst at that particular moment confront their own personal sins. And when the dust settled from the rocks hitting the ground, everyone of them had to admit they had personal sin and none was any greater sin than any other. Today, we must come to that same place in the Church as the body of Christ. We cannot condone sinful activity, but we cannot condemn the people that take place in it, because our own sin is just as big and bad as theirs. We tend to put sins in levels or degrees of severity. Sin is sin. Some sins do indeed carry stiffer consequences, but that does not make their sin any greater than another’s. The Pharisees could not condemn the woman of her sin because they had their own sin and would have had to condemn themselves if they condemned her. The thing is, in the whole event, Jesus never focused on any of their sins. He focused on all of them as fallen people, and fallen people will commit sins of all kinds. Jesus never condoned any of their sins, but He did not get in their faces yelling and screaming how horrible they were and how they should be punished. Instead, he quietly offered every one of them the opportunity to admit they had sin. Once admitted, they were all on the same level at that point - the woman was equal to the Pharisee. And he offered her only one instruction - "Go, and sin no more." In light of the discussion here, you could paraphrase it this way - "Go, and make the choice to not participate in the activities you have been." Instead of offering her condemnation, He offered her compassion. Instead of condoning her activity, He encouraged her to carefully choose her activity. We can do no less.
03.07.2012
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@ modelk66:
Allow me to begin by saying; we are in total agreement!! I hope my comments did not suggest an air of condemnation, but one of focusing on real, effective help by not condoning one’s actions (regardless of it label). We as Christians (I believe) must come away from overlooking what the person is entangled in; not for reasons of judging, but of helping them grow as believers of God. IF we going to consider the church as a hospital; then we should prepare it for healing. Meeting individuals were there are, and stop making excuses for not preparing the church for action. If a person find themselves in homosexuality, adultery, backbiting, or whatever act of disobedience one would find themselves a part of; the church shall be prepare, or in place to compassionately assist them through their dilemma. This would suggest two things: 1) if one believe counseling is their calling, then they should get the training necessary to assist them in helping others; 2) if it is not your calling stay out of it, and just pray for those who are called to minister in that fashion. It does not make a difference which label is place on the act of disobedience; we should spend less time judging and more time praying.
03.07.2012
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I have heard individuals attempt to justify, and define Homosexuality; is it the thought or the act, the temporary involvement or the ongoing participation of the lifestyle. The author suggests it is the “attraction” of an individual which is one of the causes for homosexuality, and that attraction is of God. James 1:13-16 “Let no one say when he is tempted, " I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” To suggest it is an “attraction” and it is by some means God’s faults, or pure because it is of God. Would be wrong to say according to the writer of James; one is drawn or carried away by
their “own lust” or “attractions”. So as an individual allows him or her self to be drawn away by their thoughts associated with their attraction, it will lead to the act, and the separation.
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None of us know the reasoning behind the motivation one has as a child molester, fornicator, adulterer, or even murder. We should not be so willing to attack one and not the other, without understanding what is motivating this type of behavior. The child molester may have suffered an event during their childhood, which stimulates this sort of behavior. But there is no consideration, because they have injured a child. Am I protecting the molester and not child? No, not by any
means! They both are in need of help, and they both will need to change. The molester will need help to change and stop, and the child will need help so they will not begin.
01.07.2012
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One of the problems we are facing deals with acceptance. Those practicing a homosexual lifestyle are seeking acceptance from God and the Christian community for their desired lifestyle, while knowing their desired lifestyle goes against God’s design. This is one of the issues Paul is confronting in Romans 1: Man changing God’s Design for their Desires. We tend to overlook those practicing acts of disobedience which does not directly harm anyone; as if there are differences in the priority of disobedience. When there is no difference in the level or
priority; sin is sin!
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The author suggests that “lifestyle” is one of the factors of consideration as it relates to homosexuality. The message of God to mankind deals with “change”: the most important change deals with the mindset towards God; and as a result of the mental change (repentance) toward God, there should be a change in their “lifestyle” (transformation) which comes by the renewing of their mind (Romans 12:2). Unfortunately, those involved in a homosexual lifestyle are seeking acceptance of their lifestyle without the consideration of changing. Those practicing this type of a
lifestyle want to continue practicing, and forgiveness for not changing. Christians within this generation want the fornicator, the adulterer, idolater, gossiper, and those practicing all other act of disobedience to change their lifestyle, but those practicing homosexuality are given a pass to continue practicing their desired lifestyle. If one has changed their mindset toward God (repented), then there should be a change in their lifestyle due to the changing of their mindset toward God (transformation).
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I hate to respond to something with a question…but it is
necessary…As preachers/pastors, my questions are :Are you ready to preach the
Gospel?…Are you ashame of the Gospel of Christ?
Romans 1:24-27…Homosexuality is sin…like any other. We all
have some type of propensity, but at the end, we choose to give into our passions.
We can only teach the Word of God and pray that the Holy Spirit convict our
heart of any sin in our lives. But the problem, I see is people believe the lie
that Homosexuality is not a sin. We can’t pick and choose the sin that is
offensive to God…sin period is offensive to God. We were created in the image
of God, so for a believer to believe they were born that way…what is in the
reflection of God? Basically what is being presumably said…I want/like what I
want/like and I will have it any if God disagree. Remember sin separates us from God, so how
can you choose something that separates you from the Father will trying to
connect with Him in worship. Nothing is greater than my want to be “pleasing”
in God’s presence.
21.04.2012
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@ J_Ruth:
J_Ruth,
I almost hate to reply to your post but feel that I must. I attended a sexuality conference this weekend in which I thought at first that the whole thing would be around homosexuality. What I learned was that it was around a wide variety of topics and issues dealing with human sexuality. The point of the conference was not to solve the issues around sexuality but to get churches to start having conversations about sexuality and what that means to humans. For soooo long, the church has been hesitant to speak out about sex or anything to do with sexuality. When will we learn that we MUST speak up and educate our congregations. As I read Romans 1: 24-27 from NRSV, KJV, and NIV I do not see the word homesexuality printed. What I see is a reference to unnatural intercourse, uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, and sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies. As I have researched this I find that the language of unnatural intercourse was more often used in Paul’s day to denote not the orientation of sexual desire but its immoderate indulgence, which was believed to weaken the body. Even today between males and females, which we consider natural relationships, there is unnatural intercourse occurring and abuse of bodies. I would hope that my God would and is also addressing those gross abuses in these passages too.
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@ Graeper:
@ Graeper The name of the article is Sexuality: Creation,
Brokenness, Truth and Grace. So how it was processed through my spirit is…What
is sexuality as it was created….was it not a gift for married people and the
bed is undefiled. (Hebrew 13:4)
Where is the brokenness if the homosexuality is natural?
The truth is what the bible says and the grace is what God
gives when one confesses and what we give others in love as we minister to them
the word of God.
Now, to the different versions of the bible, yes it is in
the NKJV version that displays homosexuality.
Even in the versions you listed…what is unnatural intercourse? Our
private parts are made for the opposite sex to induce procreation. So
homosexuality is same sex…unnatural in the eyes of God. NKJV…Romans 1:27,
likewise also the men, LEAVING THE NATURAL USE OF THE WOMAN, BURNED IN THEIR
LUST FOR ONE ANOTHER, MEN WITH MEN COMMITTING WHAT IS SHAMEFUL AND RECEIVING IN
THEMSELVES THE PENALTY OF THEIR ERROR WHICH WAS DUE. I think that reads the
same in most versions. It has been around a long time. Even in the destruction
of Sodom and Gomorrah, I have heard that people say that was because of
hospitality…please reread the passage. Lot offered his virgin daughters to the
men…if that ain’t hospitality, then there is none. King Josiah tossed out the
male prostitutes because it defiled the temple. It is within the realm of
sexual immortality along with Lust, adultery, incest, and beastiality. So it’s not just of Paul’s day. I agree that we
should talk more about this…speaking the WORD of God is always a great idea.
Going back to what you said about even in male and female relationship
unnatural intercourse is occurring….again sex is for the married and the bed is
undefiled, so as long as both parties male and female are in agreement, then it
is natural to love each other in their style. We cannot regulate the martial
bed. And yes, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. My post was to
point one to the bible and what it says. And my issue is that people don’t view
homosexually as a sin. The Word of God reigns in my life. I can’t be complacent
if I am to teach the word. God didn’t call us to uncleanness but in holiness (1
Thessalonians 4:7). Now I respect people’s opinion. For my opinion I have given
you scripture on why I believe it is sin…sexual immorality. It is fine to
debate my belief, but where is it in the bible, that confirms the homosexuality
is justified in the sight of God? Again, I am not ashame of the gospel I preach…and
I preach in love…but also in TRUTH. Jesus is the TRUTH.
Glad you went to the conference. There needs to be more talk
about Sexuality as it relates to the bible and not as it relates to what people
feel. The world conforms to feelings…the believer conforms to the mind of
Christ; keeping God’s commandments(obedience, holiness).
This was a very good article.
22.04.2012
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@ J_Ruth:
J_Ruth,
Thank you for your thoughts. I was not saying that I agree with homosexuality but I do not read the passage in Romans or exegete it the same as you. I read the passage in Romans 1:26-27 as having to do with passion that was so consuming that God was left out of the picture. There was no room for God and doing His will in the people’s lives because of their overconsumming passions so God gave them up to their degrading passions. For me, I feel that I must proclaim God’s love in ways that welcome all people. If people feel that they are being judged before we even take the time to know them, how can we ever reach them for Christ? I agree with Wendell Griffen, pastor of New Millenium Church Little Rock, AR when he said, "God’s love comes to us despite our circumstances. God’s love flows to us wherever we are and however we are."
22.04.2012
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@ J_Ruth:
J_Ruth and JourneywithCHRISTie,
In the case of homosexuality we are so focused on the sin that we are overlooking the sinner. We all sin. Without Christ’s forgiveness we would all be in a fiery hell. That’s the reality of being human. The sin of homosexuality cannot be made greater than any other sin just because the media and our culture of promiscuity have placed it in the forefront. But, as Christians we are called to be Christ-like. Christ is ALWAYS focused on the sinner, the person, their needs, their hurts, and their salvation. If Christ were here now he would be among homosexuals because they need him.
Be careful Christians because in our hate of the sin we are ostracizing the sinner. The real sin in our culture is promiscuity. Do whatever you want, with whoever you want, whenever and wherever you want, with as many as you want. There are so many people to have followed this cultural mandate and engaged in sexual activities with persons of the same sex and now they, particularly young people, are sexually confused. But more importantly they are hurt and lost and they so desperately need Christ. But I have heard Pastors preach about the evils of homosexuality in such a way that their whole aura turned dark with hate and anger. I have seen the same reaction in parents. There is no way that the young person would dare talk to anyone about their experience or confusion for fear of losing that person’s love. It makes me cry because we, God’s chosen people are not reaching out to love them and show them God’s love through our own love and they are so very lost. We subliminally and consciously are showing hate to the sinner and if we do that then we must hate ourselves.
23.04.2012
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@ zephora_waiters:
Zephora,
Thank you for your comments. That was my point exactly. If we continue to focus on the sin of homosexuality versus the love of God and being willing to walk with people as they figure out this life then we may never reach the people who really need God in their lives. There are so many young people and even older folks who are running from the church because they feel ostracized versus loved for who they are and taken in to help them grow in their understanding of God. Loving the lost and the confused does not mean that we agree with their life styles or their life choices but it does mean that we care about them as human beings and as children of God.
23.04.2012
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@ Graeper:
Many of us are afraid (as you mentioned we fear) to see past the labels we place on people. Whenever I am mentally lazy and allow negative cultural views to invade my thinking God always corrects my thinking through my interaction with people. At one of the churches I was a member of n Colorado, we worshiped at round tables in a place called the Upper Room. The tables were round for the purpose of helping us as members to interact and get to know our fellow parishioners. Each Sunday we had a question we each had to answer at our table. One Sunday the question was “What would you like God to help you with”. The young man next to me and his friend would be considered effeminate in their manner of speech and how they carried themselves. When it was time for this young man to answer he said “How can I resist temptation?” When he spoke I felt from him this strong sense of anguish. The Holy Spirit showed me that this young man truly loved God and he was struggling to show God his love by being obedient to God’s word. But because of his desire he felt that he was not living up to God’s expectation and that he would always fail in this area and this caused him to agonize about his Christianity. I know that his suffering came from how the world especially Christians had treated him. I remember thinking, how terrible his life must be and that no one should have a relationship with God filled with anguish. Had I been as mature in my spiritual walk then as I am now I would have hugged him and told him that God loves us no matter what and that he should never give up on God’s love. I carry his pain as a reminder of what human judgment can do to a fragile spirit. I know that anyone of us that walks in God’s will and allows the power and compassion of the Holy Spirit to help us can overcome anything that is not pleasing in God’s sight.
23.04.2012
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@ Graeper:
At the end of the day we must know that God has called us to Hope Givers, care givers, Bondage Breakers, Message Proclaimers, People Encouragers, and also People Edifiers. We as Christians are called to comfort all who mourn. After all does God not help us when we go through Crisis in our lives. We all are human beings full of pain and full of sorrow.
Donnie Thurman Sr.
29.06.2012
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God calls for mankind to
come out of their place(s) of origin and worship Him. This is a decision every believer must make. Mankind is offered the opportunity to “choose” to worship and follow God, or worship and follow their desires. While choice may not be considered a primary factor for determining the root of homosexuality, according to the author of the article; it is a factor to be considered. The influences of the other factors contribute to the thought pattern, held by the individual; which are some of the same factors mankind as a whole is faced with. The final consideration one makes after deliberating over the factors,
and which has the greater influence, and value to them; a decision or choice is made; regardless if it is to try it temporarily or live it permanently. In the letters to the Romans: Paul state the issues is the “mindset”, or the attitude one has taken regarding their actions. The overarching factor which is addressed within the writings in the Bible, deals with “choice.” Our choices are the products of thoughts regarding what we value, and those things which influence us.
27.06.2012
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I awoke this morning with the story of the adulteress woman in my heart and mind, and I thought of this conversation. If homosexuality is considered to be a sin of sexual immorality, so adultery is also a sin of sexual immorality. What strikes me about the conversation between Jesus, the scribes and Pharisees, and the woman is how Jesus treats the woman. Nowhere do I read where He accuses her of anything, the scribes and Pharisees do that. Nowhere does He preach to her about how bad, evil, sinful, degrading, demeaning, despicable she is for what she is doing, the scribes and Pharisees do that. Never does He condemn her for her actions, the scribes and Pharisees do that. Instead, what Jesus does is condemn the scribes and Pharisees by giving them one simple command; "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone." This does not mean Jesus condoned or approved of her sexual immorality, because He did allow for a stone to be cast should someone meet the pre-qualifier of having no sin, which was only Him. Yet, knowing He could stone her, He loved her instead. His only instruction to her was to "go, and sin no more." Not, come to the church, confess publicly with all the sordid details of your sin, make amends, go through a period of "trial membership" to show evidence you have truly repented, and THEN you will be accepted into our midst. No, just go and stop doing what you have been doing. And I am sure it was not as easy as it sounded for her to do. But, since she was shown love, she was able to see that someone cared more about her as a person than about her conduct.
Whether we like to admit it or not, we are in this story, for humans are always basically the same. First, we are all the woman. Every single one of us has sinned and continue to sin, though we strive for perfection. And one sin is no greater or more heinous than any other. The sin of "bearing false witness" which is slander or gossip is listed in the Ten Commandments right along with "adultery" and "murder" and "honor thy father and mother." Somehow, as humans, we have placed more emphasis on some sins more than others. God did give Moses different degrees of punishment for different acts, but they were all considered sin just as much. We have no bragging rights to claim "Well, I may have gossipped about my co-worker, but at least I didn’t murder anyone." The fact is, we have sinned REGARDLESS of how we might like to cover it, hide it, sugar-coat it or justify it. We are ALL the adulteress woman. Once we profess to know or believe in Christ, we then become either scribes and Pharisees or disciples of Jesus. The scribes and Pharisees were holding strong to their religion, much as many a congregant will hold to their Christianity. It gives the idea of having a more correct theology and thus a responsibility to try and impose that theology on the world around us. Everything becomes a matter of legality, of do’s and don’ts, of right and wrong. And it is easy to become pious and lofty when we have not committed the particular sin we stand so strongly against. I grew up in a very conservative household, with my dad as one of the most conservative preachers you could find. I have heard him and others take the passage about "natural affection" in Romans and preach for 30 minutes or more, never using the text except for the initial reading of Scripture at the beginning of the message, and rant and rave about how wrong, bad, evil, sinful homosexuals are and how they are all going to hell if they don’t stop, and how we should be telling them how wrong they are and stand up against them at every turn. I also heard him and others also point to this passage to say we have all sinned, but never point out who and what Jesus condemns. It basically became another evangelizing text to coerce people to "get saved" because we are all sinners. There is more to it than that, I have discovered. Many of us like to claim that we are followers of Christ. We like to claim that we are trying our best to be Jesus to the rest of the world. I have done it many times. Yet, I am not so sure I have been, and maybe still am not. To be a follower of Jesus means to walk and act and speak as He did and does. It means that I cannot find a soapbox to spout off how horrible and disgusting certain people with certain actions or lifestyles are. It means, I must simply acknowledge the fact that their sin is no greater than my own sin, that they are just as forgiveable as I am, that they are just as loveable and precious to God as I am, and that all I can do as a follower of Christ is to love them, offer no condemnation, and exhort them to "go, and sin no more." Much harder than standing on a soapbox as a scribe and Pharisee. And I have plenty of soapboxes of my own to destroy.
26.04.2012
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Unfortunately, there always seems to be some assumptions concerning all homosexual activity. Not to ruffle any feathers any further, but here are some things for consideration. First, what about people who are born with both sets of genitalia? Often, the parents have to make a rush decision to remove one set, which determines the person’s gender for the rest of their life, and most likely the decision by the parents goes on either some health issue the doctor raises, or else by whichever gender of a child they were hoping for. Hence, a child can grow up male, but really always struggle and believe themselves to be a female, and therefore they are attracted to males. Without a sex change, they are considered to be a homosexual, but are they really? Muddy water for sure. Second, there were some studies done about 20 years ago now that I remember coming out when there was such a huge use of drugs to induce pregnancies. It was discovered that in a lot of those instances the drug actually messed with the chemical makeup in the brain of the child and they really were "born that way" meaning that the way their brains work and operate they were attracted to the same sex. Again, more muddy water. Now what I am NOT saying is that homosexuality is not a sin. I do believe it is, but as with these examples, not all of it is necessarily. It is those, who like any other sin, make a willful and deliberate choice to participate in sinful activity. But, we cannot just lump all cases into one big pile. There has to be a willingness to get to know people, to understand their history and background. And that means to love them regardless of whether it was a decision made by their parents when they were infants, whether it was some chemical reaction beyond their control, or whether it is a willful choice to participate in certain activities. Things are not always as cut and dried as we often like for them to be, which is why we need to develop relationships instead of generalizations.
24.04.2012
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