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Auteur: Mark Greene
Date: 20.10.2010
Category: Ministère sur le lieu du travail
Focusing on ministry of full-time Christian workers has limited the church’s impact. By perpetuating the distinction between secular and sacred, disciples are not prepared to minister in the places where most people live.
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Mots-clés: ministry, Mark Greene, work, Cape Town 2010
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Pays-Bas
In the Netherlands there is a growing movement of Christians and Christian organizations who are fighting this antithesis between the secular and sacred.
Moreover then 100 small and bigger Christian networkinggroups are discussing the relevance of being a Christian in their profession. Furthermore there are about 300 places in moreover than 180 most non- Christian organizations where Christian colleagues pray together on a regular basis e.g. in small lunchtime meetings.
And in 2012 we are again inviting all churches and denominations for having a special service about ‘Christ at Work’, by preaching about that theme. This year for the third time on Sunday 11th November. To facilitate this we have examples of sermons, songs, bible verses, an enquiry and so.
All information on the websites http://www.christenzijnopjewerk.nl/ and http://www.bedrijfsgebed.nl/ (in the Dutch language).
30.10.2012
Pays-Bas
Now how do we get synergy between the workplace ministry message and the oral preference learners in the workplace? They are not going to read our posts about it on the internet :-)
Suggestion: share this message online with as many pastors / elders / deacons as we possibly can. I have already started to do this.
Any other ideas?
01.05.2012
États-Unis
Bravo! Bravo!!
20.03.2011
Pays-Bas
Dear all,
From my perspective, this is really a core message for todays Christianity.
This is why at the moment I am investing in an initiative to develop training modules for people on the market places, to get them aware of their identity in Christ, their Kingdom opportunities, and practical skils and to create a network for them for coaching and upgrading in practical situations. For encouraging and upgrading. My main question is, why do we have to develop this outside the church?
20.10.2010
États-Unis
@ Herman_Troost:
Hi Herman,
Maybe I do not understand your question, ’Why do we have to develop this outside the church?’ I think what you are working on is an excellent idea. Developing those workplace professionals within the church for ministry in their workplace is exactly the sort of thing I hunt for in my own life.
The training needs a place, and the location for that needs its core from the Church. The physical place doesn’t matter, only the perspective.
I very much enjoyed and appreciate this talk, as well as the next paper and personal story of Jerry White’s.
24.10.2010
Allemagne
@ Herman_Troost:
as we are probably all church members who discuss this topic it it probably us to build the bridge to our churches. each and everyone at our local church...and if someone is in responsibility for several chruches or other organisations influencing several churches...the same issue....
it is us to build the brige i think.
when jesus touched your heart with that topic he might have done it for a specific reason...
17.12.2010
Royaume-Uni
Mark Greene puts his finger on something critical. The church persistently resets to its default position of maintaining a sacred / secular divide. Each decade of the last century this divide has been recognised, he said, yet after everyone nods their head and says amen, the default divide remains. Why is that? There is a hard answer to that question - because it is an entrenched, systemic and traditional problem. Mature Christians in the marketplace will give you an insight into both the problem and the solution.
10.11.2010
Japon
Since God lead me to Japan, I was led to do business with missions from 1998. After 12 years of serving both in business and in church planting, I have realized what Mark Green has presented is right in Japan.
Now I think Japan needs more tentmakers than pastors.
I am thankful to be a tentmaker since I can meet people where they are and often share the Gospel in the market place.
The dualistic idea of secred and secular separation is also problem in Japanese churches.
I pray that more kindom businesses are started in Japan and more business leaders are raised in Japan.
Wonderful presentation and great words of wisdom.
Thanks
29.10.2010
États-Unis
May be the most important talk at lusanne.
22.10.2010
États-Unis
exactly right. well said. thx mark.
21.10.2010
Canada
A wonderful challenge!
This will be my mission as an Urban Pastor in Canada. I applaud this talk. I am humbled by it and by the work we have in front of us. Lets equip the Saints for the task. God will equip us to do it.
21.10.2010
Afrique du Sud
"I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them... Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you.”
Discipleship is the Great Commission and it can take place in the workplace in our deeds and words as Paul and others modeled in the New Testament.
The very names we use for ourselves and the things we do (Evangelicals, The Lausanne Congress on World Evangelization) is a symptom of our majoring in the minors. Billy Graham’s calling and gifting is being an evangelist to the masses but even so he wasn’t fulfilling the Great Commission unless he was also discipling some of his closer circle of people that he knew and who knew him.
The habit of putting so much emphasis and importance on evangelization means we give less of both to discipleship. Why? Evangelization is part of discipleship, not the other way around. Yes, evangelization is a necessary part that will happen at some point along the way of making disciples but discipleship is a process, evangelization is an indispensable but smaller event along the way. We mostly glorify an event (where the Holy Spirit does the real work anyway) and shove the process He has called us to into a corner. Focusing on the "event" of evangelism is easier but it’s only one of the "five-fold" ministries that Christ continues to give to his Bride. Following Christ’s actual call to the lengthy process of discipleship is harder and more time consuming. For centuries the Church has been more interested in counting trophies and glorifying "leadership" of a select ordained few than lasting and reproducible discipleship in every believer no matter how they put bread on the table.
(The above is similar to my comment in reply to the advance paper on Personal Witness.) http://conversation.lausanne.org/en/resources/detail/10558/#comment_12716
21.10.2010
États-Unis
Paul witnessed in places where people gathered. See Acts 17. How should Christians today respond to the "No Soliciting" signs and unwritten rules of "avoiding religion and politics" in discussions with our neighbors and co-workers? We all need to have witnessing tools that we can call up whenever the situation presents itself. How can the church help its members develop those tools and use them in a winsome manner?
20.10.2010
Nigéria
the video did not play in full but i seem to get the gist of Green’s presentation. The Church in my nation have over the years not been able to translate her numerical strength into meaningful socio-political transformation because our discipleship content has been limited to church activities rather than for where people spend most of their waking moments
20.10.2010
États-Unis
This presentation by Mark Green powerfully and succinctly sums up the problems/issues that obstract the mission of the so-called "layman," the person not a professional church worker. This divide actually started in the early church, when bishops were appointed, and often did not properly disciple believers who were typically illiterate. We must have a new Holy Spirit inspired paradigm for the church!
20.10.2010
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