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Bearing Witness to the Love of Christ with People of Other Faiths

Author: Michael Ramsden
Date: 30.07.2010
Category: World Faiths

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Editor’s Note: This Cape Town 2010 Advance Paper has been written by Michael Ramsden as an overview of the topic to be discussed at the Morning Plenary session on “Bearing Witness to the Love of Christ with People of Other Faiths.” Responses to this paper through the Lausanne Global Conversation will be fed back to the author and others to help shape their final presentations at the Congress.

 “And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets – who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life. Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated – of whom the world was not worthy – wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should be made perfect. Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.” (1)

Love is costly. Out of love, something may be offered to a recipient for nothing, but that is not the same as saying it didn’t cost the giver anything. It may cost everything. Yet when it comes to the issue of witnessing to people of other faiths, we seem to be looking for methods and means that cost us nothing. The only way to achieve such an end would be without love- which is maybe why so much of it comes across as clanging symbols and noisy gongs. Rejected love is painful – Jesus expressed his heartfelt longing in the face of stubborn rejection. There is an urgent need for us to pour out our lives into reaching the lost as he poured out his life and reached down to us. It was EM Bounds who famously remarked that as the world is looking for better methods God is looking for better men, and perhaps we need to concentrate more on changing our hearts than working on our methods.

Jesus, in preparing his disciples for the trials of this world, told them that difficulty would come. They might have thought that, with God on their side, no suffering would ever befall them. Jesus however told them:

Keywords: Witness, cost, suffering, persecution, martyr, preaching, Hebrews 11, cross, credibility, good works, truthful

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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Dan_P (0)
United States

Thanks Michael for the word.  I was really thinking about the church in the west and my church in particular.  It’s pretty easy to go off on them but then I look at my life.  It’s hard to think about suffering in this context when it’s so hard to die to ourselves in the daily activities that clutter up our own lives as per Mere-B.

I have to ask myself if the Muslim friends I witness to really see love for them and for Christ or am I just making noise.  I should really start asking myself what its costing me.  I think too often I invite them into my world and life instead of dying to myself and entering theirs.

This paper taken personally, thanks.


17.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Knud_Jorgensen (1)  
Norway

On p.3 you write that "for the early church, everyone was by definition of ’another faith’". Agree, but could you apply this to today? Most of us live in multi-religious situations with ’another faith’ and need sorely biblical advice on how to witness to Christ among other faiths. Does NT give us input relevant for this meeting with and common life with women and men of other faiths?

Knud Jørgensen

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14.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down EMalm (0)
Ghana

Thank you Dr. Ramsden!

I am deeply touched by your reminder to be credibile witnesses  of The Christ and the Cross we preach! Personal intergity in EVERY area of our lives is needed before intergrity in the Church would manifest!

Interestingly, the pursuit of personal intergrity deepens our relationship & intimacy with the Trinity. May the Lord daily put this hunger in our hearts!


14.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Charlie_Fletcher (0)  
Mexico

Thanks for this reminder to count the cost of Christian witness. It is a message the West needs especially to hear and take to heart in a generation that is constantly being wooed away from sacrificial commitment by the idol of present comfort. Christian witness has always been costly, but gone are the days when missionaries packed their clothes in a coffin, expecting never to return home, and this generation in the West seems particularly averse to long-term commitments, which makes counting the cost of discipleship deeply counter-cultural. 


13.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Phillip_Siew (1)  
Malaysia

Deny oneself, talk up the cross and follow Christ daily is not a slogan.  It’s a reality that one must prepare to experience in a day-to-day basis if one is truly serious about being a genuine, faithful and committed disciple of Christ. This is especially true when one is to be an authentic, credible, and faitfhul witness for Christ among people of other faiths.  While it is true that we should respect people of other faiths, we can only be an obedient disciple of Christ by sharing with them what a wonderful Savior Christ is and the wonderful salvation that He has accomplished for all. In the midst of this, we really need to be prepared to lay down our lives for Christ and His Gospel. A witness for Christ is likely to become a martyr.  But if we are willing to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters, no love is greater than this. Therefore, we need to pray for more love, more genuine and sacrificial love of God which only the Holy Spirit could pour into us (Rom.5:5).


13.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Suhail (0)
Jordan

Yes it is costly to witness to other faiths. Living in a country of other faith sets ahead of me the challenge to love them while telling them. I don’t know how much we are ready to pay that cost at times. Looking forward to discussing this and having a deeper insight about this important topic. 


13.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Cody_Lorance (12)   
United States

Very important call here.  I’m echoing it on my blog http://codylorance.blogspot.com/2010/10/are-we-prepared-for-cost.html

You are right on with your statement that Christians "seem to be looking for methods and means that cost us nothing".  See you in Cape Town, where I look forward to more.


12.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Maryedemuth (3)   
United States

Thank you for this clarion call to die. It reminds me of Bonhoeffer’s words, "When Christ bids a man, he bids him come and die." So much of what we do in the west has to do with comfort and perceived personal passion. I fear we’ve lost genuine cross-leaning passion, the laying down of the life passion. 


07.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Deborah_M (0)  
United States

It was encouraging to read this advanced paper. You made a lot of great points. They are ones that we need to continue to reflect on and be held accountable to. It’s so easy for us to read it once, apply it and then stray from them down the line, or get distracted.

“What we preach must be evidenced in our lives; otherwise we will always be seen as offering theories and speculations when what the world is looking for is concrete transformation.” That is something that is definitely on my heart! With a lot of people that I work with/minister to, they are fed up with the Church and they’re tired of hearing things from the front of a pulpit and then not seeing people live it out. I agree, that We are to be known by our fruit. Non-believers these days need to see what makes you different and if you’re being real with them. Which also means, we can’t be confined to the church walls. We need to be intentional to build relationships and give of our time, to be around those that need to see what it means to have a real relationship with Christ. 

I hope that this will inspire so many to lay down whatever they may be holding onto and be willing to count the cost to get the love of Christ out there. 


06.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Cotovelo (0)  
Mozambique

¨..the world looks for better methods, and God looks for better servants¨

Thanks for your insights. Here in the North of Mozambique we have seen many missionary families paying heavily for their obedience, including loosing children to ilness etc. The Love you mentioned does seem to take many years to mature and grow and is difficult to have when you are still struggleing with cultural issues etc. Often we leave the situation too early before breaking through the first 3 years.

I like your 5 points, I would maybe interpret the RUN also with an element of EXPOSE. Often we build walls around ourselves.

A very important issue you mention is the FOCUS. Vision is paramount. There are so many needs that can sidetrack us.. but that might not be our calling. But to have a clear calling and to be infused by it, is very needed.

Regards


06.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Ishak_Sukamto (1)  
Indonesia

I agree that witness, love and suffering become a 3-in-1 that unseparated each other. Then I am wondering, how could in imperialist era, people could bring a message of good news together with weapons and the spirit to colonize a certain area. A painful history which didn’t see the love of God inherent with the spreading of Gospel, creating a stigma that Christianity is much more an ideology than a hope that will raise dan recover the human dignity. 

In order to regain new spirit of bearing witness of Christ, we need to confess our failure to live the gospel which we want to proclaiming. We have lived less, talked much. Our lives which didn’t live the gospel   has contributed to create a thick blanket to the sensitivity of unbelievers, make their heart as a hard-court soil not just reject gospel but cynically ignore it.

We need passion of Jesus to bear witness to the love of Christ with people of other faiths.


04.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Rachael_Hosier (0)
United Kingdom
@ Ishak_Sukamto:

Thank you, your comment has begun to make me realise how much hurt has been caused and still exists by people acting ’in the name of Christ’ but without His love.


06.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Jetteke_N (0)  
Netherlands

Fully given

Obedient listening

Christ centered

Upward

Singleminded

Ajith Fernando once said in a small meeting we had: ’To reach people of other faiths the cross to bear of the Western Christian might be his individuality.’ For so many people live in ’togetherness’.


05.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Jonathan_Pryke (2)  
United Kingdom

I think you have put your finger one of the key reasons for the failure of the church in Western Europe. What you say reminded me of a church memorial I happened to see, to that commemorated three young men from a village in rural South West England. They were all called John, and they were all fishermen. In 1850, when they were all 21, they sailed with Captain Allen Gardiner as part of his crew on a missionary expedition to Tierra del Fuego, the southernmost tip of South America. They wanted to take the good news of Jesus to the native peoples there. They got there, but after great hardship and suffering, everyone on the expedition died, including the three Johns. What happened to them became known, and their diary was found, and it was the direct inspiration that lead to the founding of the South American Missionary Society. I exchanged messages with a member of the congregation who had written their booklet on the church’s history. A comment she made struck me forcibly. She said that she admired the zeal and devotion of the three Johns, but couldn’t help being saddened by what had happened to them. They had been so naïve. They hadn’t realised what they’d been letting themselves in for. Implication: if they had, they’d have stayed at home and been safe. Secure. That summed up for me why the Church in the West is making so little impact. We put security before sacrifice, and comfort before challenge. But that’s not what Jesus demands of us. Jesus calls us to put our lives on the line for him. I’m praying that the Congress will help us to take that to heart and act on it.


05.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Michael_H (1)  
Switzerland

Thank you, Michael, for illustrating the meaning of witness in general and the cost of witness in particular. I agree fully that it is about a lifelong joyful and painful walk with Christ rather than a quick-fix method. Embracing the theology of suffering is something we Christians living in the West have to learn. I asked myself: Why is it so difficult to learn?

Blessings

Michael H


05.10.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down David_Benson (2)  
Australia

Thanks Michael ... As I sit here in a pleasant cafe reading your article of the inevitable cost of witness, I needed this reminder.


27.09.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down danda (3)  
Australia

Thanks....

" A church that preaches the cross must itself be marked by the cross!"

The same can be said for a person who preaches the Word!

"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me." Gal. 2:20


26.09.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down ChloeRoberts (0)  
United Kingdom

Thank you for this reminder to count the cost. Very powerful and challenging. I particularly liked the EM Bounds quote, and also Mere’s encouragement for us to go to those hard/unreached places.

I’m part of the 20’s-30’s generation - the so-called ’missing generation’ in the church today, perhaps especially in the west - and am pondering issues of suffering and cost at this time as part of a challenge to our frequent apathy here, so found this very helpful thanks. 


21.09.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down SARAH_MINA_OGAREE (0)  
Nigeria

Thanks for your very inspiring and challenging views on the subject.

The church in certain parts of the world is loosing its grip on perservering in bearing witness to people of other faiths. Simply because as you said, we are not prepared to "suffer". Suffering for Christ has become an alien word in the christian dictionary of missiology. It definitely must make a come-back before we can see meaningful progress in this kind of evangelization.

"When the foundation is wrong, what can the righteous do?" The converts we are making now need to be given an orientation about what it means to witness or to be ’matryred’ for the cause of Christ. The fear is that there will even be fewer converts because when the tree is not good, the fruit will also not be good. We all need to repent and go back to the ancient landmark.

Sarah Mina


19.09.2010
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Reply Flag 1 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down Lex_L (6)  
South Africa

Tremendous, as always, from Michael. An excellent challenge for us to take risks.

In the NT this risk dimension included faith for the power of God to touch peoples’ lives.

On the basis of Hebrews 2:3-4 (This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.), I would add to the 5 ’pointers in Hebrews’ Expectation.  That God will work as we witness, adding His witness to ours.

This witness of God is, from a Scriptural perspective, essentially supernatural - and is easily observable in Scripture as well as in the massive movements towards Christianity across the world at the moment. This aspect of our witness to those of other faiths is therefore both evident and necessary.


17.09.2010
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Reply Flag 0 Thumbs Up Thumbs Down kshalhoub (0)  
United States

I am saddened by the fact that we do not talk about suffering, hardship and persecution much especailly with people going to hard places.

Every missionary and follower of Christ must read this article.

Thank you for your bldness!


17.09.2010
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